Mafia 25 - The Town of Warcraft

[CWE]

I wish I could sleep properly. I went to bed 'early' last night with the intention of sleeping all the way until 8:30AM to be up and ready for an appointment at 10:30AM. Instead I woke up at 6:30AM.

The curse of insomnia, I guess...

Anyway...I'm not thrilled by how the day kill turned out.

Insomnia sucks. Try weed and tequila. It helps me go to sleep when I suffer from it...

 

[Listo95]

Way I’m looking at things right now is that if all claims so far are truthful we have at most 2-3 town unclaimed.

 

[Sirius Black]

Makes you think

 

[Sirius Black]

I haven't looked too deep into claims yet. Don't know if I'll be able to during this game day as work is extremely busy

I support 3pups and Mazer being wagons today

 

[Listo95]

I haven't looked too deep into claims yet. Don't know if I'll be able to during this game day as work is extremely busy

I support 3pups and Mazer being wagons today

We know the 2 guaranteed town power is monarch/jailor. Guaranteed TP is BG, guaranteed TK is deputy. So far only have 2 TI claims. All that technically remains would be the Crus, the RT, and 0-2 common town (TP/TS/TI).

 

[CWE]

We know the 2 guaranteed town power is monarch/jailor. Guaranteed TP is BG, guaranteed TK is deputy. So far only have 2 TI claims. All that technically remains would be the Crus, the RT, and 0-2 common town (TP/TS/TI).

Math checks out.

CRUS DON'T CLAIM. Ya know, until you're are damn near hung for NOT claiming...

It's a bitch...

Hopefully those RT and common town have TP in there. Or a lovely Ret who could put the BG on someone. That's sounds perfect.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Insomnia sucks. Try weed and tequila. It helps me go to sleep when I suffer from it...

I would but I can't drink with the meds I take

 

[CWE]

I would but I can't drink with the meds I take

Double the weed then. Doctor's orders.

 

[MitchRapp]

In terms of solving things I think the places to look are Blind Ninja and Mazer.

We have a good list of suspects for coven but the real issue is going to be sorting out the traitor.

 

[Sirius Black]

Just re-read 3pups ISO

I'm really feeling the 3pups scum read here

Let's not lunch the person who killed Future please

 

[CWE]

Just re-read 3pups ISO

I'm really feeling the 3pups scum read here

Let's not lunch the person who killed Future please

Any post in particular?

 

[Sirius Black]

Any post in particular?

My points of suspicion are:

- posts about Future aren't great

- shading Mitch for pushing me looks opportunistic

- voting BN after his claim seems lazy

- setup talk being pretty uninspired. See Listo's breakdown of the remaining unclaimed roles for an example of what I would call an "inspired" setup talk

-kinda think 3pups might be partnered with Mazer but that's neither here not there

I basically can see a wolf motive behind every individual thing 3pups has put out. And while none of those things is individually damning, I just don't see any reasons to think 3pups is town.

if anyone has a reason to think that, please enlighten me.

 

[CWE]

@3puppies

Anyrhing to say on your behalf?

 

[Sirius Black]

Ldg probably deserves votes as well

 

[Listo95]

Ldg probably deserves votes as well

Will she even survive this phase at this rate?

 

[GrumpyCat]

And if you push her she might just ragequit.

 

[GrumpyCat]

LDG is a meh option but always an option.

 

[MitchRapp]

@Dreyski @LemonDemonGirl come participate. We cannot afford to lose someone based on posts.

Anyone else short this time around?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Matt has 13 and Mazer has 7 post in both days combined.

 

[Dreyski]

@Dreyski We cannot afford to lose someone based on posts.

And it's not my intention to. This weekend was always going to be busy for me, and I really don't like posting/updating on my phone.

 

[Dreyski]

In any case, are we yeeting BN because we need the dees?
And does Claws' flip incriminate or exonerate MTR?

 

[Dreyski]

And because it escaped my attention earlier, as a ToS novice, what's with rule 5? What does Full Moon Night mean in this context?

 

[Sirius Black]

We are not yeeting BN. BN is claiming the Future kill and that claim so far remains uncontested. Is you want to yeet BN, claim a role that killed Future last night.

There are certain roles that act differently depending on what moon cycle it is. For example, CWE is claiming Psychic and he can either receive a list of 3 with 1 guaranteed guilty or a list of 2 with 1 guaranteed town depending on what cycle it is.

 

[GrumpyCat]

It is a game mechanic for Werewolf and one Apoc role. Neither of those should be in this setup. Just copy pasted rules from last time.

 

[Sirius Black]

Hold on, you failed. The kill failed. Claws was jailed and claims not to be the killer. How many actions didn't go off?

Something is not adding up.

Now I'm wondering if Mitch is mafia who may have been telling on himself with a failed kill. I feel like Mitch has fallen off today.

 

[Dreyski]

Yes I know BN claimed credit for killing Future and no-one counter claimed. I think I was reading the votes beforehand and attributing them to a BN train.

So no reasonable person should sheep me on this and if you do then I'm really sorry for you :D

Willing to update your opinion on this?

 

[Sirius Black]

Maybe mafia just shot claws who was jailed

That would stop it right

 

[Matthieu]

Mitch was goading Val to just shoot which is a bit 'off' to me. Unless I'm misremembering and it was someone else?

 

[Sirius Black]

Yes I know BN claimed credit for killing Future and no-one counter claimed. I think I was reading the votes beforehand and attributing them to a BN train.


Willing to update your opinion on this?

Yeah I feel like my push on 3pups is better substantiated today than it was yesterday mainly due to the Future association

That plus poe makes 3pups a very reasonable vote in my mind

 

[GrumpyCat]

Can any town role kill n1? FH must have fallen into some trap right?

 

[GrumpyCat]

not trappers trap, but some other trap.

 

[Sirius Black]

Yeah I feel like my push on 3pups is better substantiated today than it was yesterday mainly due to the Future association

That plus poe makes 3pups a very reasonable vote in my mind

That said I could get behind a vote most unclaimed people basically

 

[Dreyski]

Can any town role kill n1? FH must have fallen into some trap right?

I'ce just skimmed the discord chat and it looks like only the vet on high alert can kill N1, unless VK has modified roles slightly

 

[Sirius Black]

3pups and Mazer are the most likely coven / traitors to me

If that doesn't end it then we can have up to two coven-aligned people remaining

Mitch has been consistently steering the discussion in the direction outside of those two and outside of Future. So if those are bad and BN + MTR are good then it will be time for getting concerned

 

[Sirius Black]

I'ce just skimmed the discord chat and it looks like only the vet on high alert can kill N1, unless VK has modified roles slightly

Incidentally that was the exact role BN softed on D1

I'm just wondering if coven are silly enough to send Future into that

Which also should prove that I'm not coven because Jesus Christ

 

[Sirius Black]

Incidentally that was the exact role BN softed on D1

I'm just wondering if coven are silly enough to send Future into that

Which also should prove that I'm not coven because Jesus Christ

But again

If BN isn't the one who killed Future, then who did?

Speak now or forever hold your peace

 

[Sirius Black]

Dont visit me people. I dont like any of you.

I'd vote Mazer for lols... But seems like 1 person I distrust is already there. And the likelihood of VK modkilling him for not reaching post count is next to zero based on the late add.

That was the post where BN softed vet on D1 for anyone wondering

 

[GrumpyCat]

If BN isn't the one who killed Future, then who did?

It could be a pirate. FH could still manage to put that into his will not sure he would think about it.
I wouldnt expect pirate to claim though.

 

[Sirius Black]

I encourage everyone to express any opposing views to the ones presented by me

We need more discussion. Both to make sure we get it right today and also to have people make themselves more readable through taking stances on things

 

[Sirius Black]

It could be a pirate. FH could still manage to put that into his will not sure he would think about it.
I wouldnt expect pirate to claim though.

It's possible. It would still be prudent to put off resolving BN until pirate's existence is confirmed.

It's not impossible that BN himself is the pirate. In which case he is already halfway out of the game.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Mazer and 3pups are good picks. I would rather start with pups. He has less fake claim options. Mazer could be a lot of things and hard to say he cant be that.
Also he cant be a traitior.

Vote: 3puppies

 

[Sirius Black]

Mazer and 3pups are good picks. I would rather start with pups. He has less fake claim options. Mazer could be a lot of things and hard to say he cant be that.
Also he cant be a traitior.

Vote: 3puppies

Good point about Mazer not being traitor. Didn't think of that.

 

[Sirius Black]

Btw, it was my impression that Crusader could kill someone even on N1. Is this not the case?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Btw, it was my impression that Crusader could kill someone even on N1. Is this not the case?

I think i understand this part but if i explained it would out my crusader read.

 

[Sirius Black]

I think i understand this part but if i explained it would out my crusader read.

I was just asking generally.

So you're saying yes but not if it's the person you think.

 

[Sirius Black]

We can have a Pirate with BN being the vet at the same time

 

[Dreyski]

Btw, it was my impression that Crusader could kill someone even on N1. Is this not the case?

Upon reskimming, that appears to be the case. All depends whether Future targetted CWE or BN.

 

[Sirius Black]

Upon reskimming, that appears to be the case. All depends whether Future targetted CWE or BN.

Future didn't target CWE as per BN's report

So either he targeted BN the vet or died to a Pirate (with BN still possibly being the vet in this case)

 

[Sirius Black]

Future didn't target CWE as per BN's report

So either he targeted BN the vet or died to a Pirate (with BN still possibly being the vet in this case)

As per Graeham's report*

 

[GrumpyCat]

Matt said cwe wasnt trageted by evil or coven or killer cant remember

 

[Sirius Black]

Also due to no one on CWE dying

 

[Dreyski]

Taking claims, softclaims and deesclaims at their word (any reason why they couldn't be traitors?):
2. Blind Ninja
3. CWE
4. Dreyski
5. GrumpyCat
9. Matthieu

Who's feeling towny to me (and therefore also potential traitors)
6. Sirius
7. LemonDemonGirl
8. Listo95
11. MitchRapp

 

[MTR]

Hate that shot by Val. I appreciate trying to take someone out early but claws was being pretty towny in my view. Trying to catch up a bit

 

[MTR]

How do we feel about MTR now that clows flipped protective

I am not town protective. I am town power. I think I said TP earlier because I wasn't thinking about there being town power and town protective so therefore two TP. I am one of the town powers.

 

[Dreyski]

I really hope there isn't a pirate this game, I hate those guys (Robo plundered me to win the game a while back)

 

[Matthieu]

Matt said cwe wasnt trageted by evil or coven or killer cant remember

He wasn't targeted by evil, aye.

I can get behind a push on 3pups.

Vote: 3pups

I won't project in advance who I'll target tonight for an investigation but I'll put it in my will.

 

[MitchRapp]

Now I'm wondering if Mitch is mafia who may have been telling on himself with a failed kill. I feel like Mitch has fallen off today.

Yes, I tried to kill someone as mafia and then told everyone it failed. Jesus how bad would I have to be at this game to do that.

Mitch was goading Val to just shoot which is a bit 'off' to me. Unless I'm misremembering and it was someone else?

I am a man of action.

 

[MTR]

I am also behind pushing 3pups even though sadly he is not probably going to be around to say much more but hopefully he will get on tonight at some point.

Vote: 3puppies

 

[MitchRapp]

He wasn't targeted by evil, aye.

I can get behind a push on 3pups.

Vote: 3pups

I won't project in advance who I'll target tonight for an investigation but I'll put it in my will.

Where we at on time? I will vote 3puppies but we gotta get others participating. We run the chance of falling behind completely if we lose all these people to post restrictions.

 

[MTR]

day ends tomorrow. I just checked

 

[MTR]

So we have some time for people to get to the post count

 

[MitchRapp]

So be careful stacking too many votes on someone. The mafia can swoop in and end things early.

 

[Listo95]

I am not town protective. I am town power. I think I said TP earlier because I wasn't thinking about there being town power and town protective so therefore two TP. I am one of the town powers.

Okay this helps me a lot now.

 

[Listo95]

Taking claims, softclaims and deesclaims at their word (any reason why they couldn't be traitors?):
2. Blind Ninja
3. CWE
4. Dreyski
5. GrumpyCat
9. Matthieu

Who's feeling towny to me (and therefore also potential traitors)
6. Sirius
7. LemonDemonGirl
8. Listo95
11. MitchRapp

If I've been keeping track correctly, I don't think this list is fully possible.

 

[MitchRapp]

Its not accurate.

 

[Listo95]

Also completely missed that Matt claim. Which means the Crus did not go on CWE and is a possible traitor.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Where we at on time? I will vote 3puppies but we gotta get others participating. We run the chance of falling behind completely if we lose all these people to post restrictions.

We have something like 27hrs

 

[Blind Ninja]

I have myself only 1 possible slot in the setup as town killing or random town (depending on which one you put the deputy in)

There are others that can fit more slots/roles. If you feel/think Im not 100%, chop me for your information.

More then 1 decided to test me and my D1 soft... anyone want to admit to visiting me?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Also completely missed that Matt claim. Which means the Crus did not go on CWE and is a possible traitor.

i thought Matt was a crusader because if cwe was attacked he would kill attacker and get feedback.
How other way could he get that info? He cant be that role that can see blood. it doesnt work like that ;p

 

[GrumpyCat]

I won't project in advance who I'll target tonight for an investigation

If you are investigative just claim plz

 

[Listo95]

i thought Matt was a crusader because if cwe was attacked he would kill attacker and get feedback.
How other way could he get that info? He cant be that role that can see blood. it doesnt work like that ;p

Crusader kills 1 random person from ANYONE who visits.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

We are not yeeting BN.

Someone has to go.

 

[Listo95]

i thought Matt was a crusader because if cwe was attacked he would kill attacker and get feedback.
How other way could he get that info? He cant be that role that can see blood. it doesnt work like that ;p

That role can see what evil roles visit a person if they don't use the other action.

 

[GrumpyCat]

What about 3pups? I think he doesnt like trolls to much.

 

[Matthieu]

If you are investigative just claim plz

I'm an Investigator. I have two abilities. Percept and Investigate. I used the former on N1.

 

[MitchRapp]

I'm an Investigator. I have two abilities. Percept and Investigate. I used the former on

Someone has to go.

Are you volunteering as tribute?

 

[Mazer]

I made a specific request to vk to be willing to join. The sandwich was the bridge to facilitate.

I see the BN and 3p logic. Those are two I'm always a little skeptical. But if there's an unchecked claim, I agree with not going through.

Been at a soccer tournament all day (still there), but to check- BN has claimed the kill and not a specific role correct?

 

[Mazer]

I have myself only 1 possible slot in the setup as town killing or random town (depending on which one you put the deputy in)

There are others that can fit more slots/roles. If you feel/think Im not 100%, chop me for your information.

More then 1 decided to test me and my D1 soft... anyone want to admit to visiting me?

Alright, i just got to this part.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I'm an Investigator. I have two abilities. Percept and Investigate. I used the former on N1.

Ok i see it now. I believe you are that role.

 

[MitchRapp]

This was supposed to be directed at LDG

 

[MitchRapp]

Jesus quotes not going well on my phone.

 

[Listo95]

Ok i see it now. I believe you are that role.

And at this point there is only room for 1 more town max. Assuming all claims are true.

 

[GrumpyCat]

If bn is veteran he isnt a traitor. Scum killing themselves on him is just ridiculous.

 

[MitchRapp]

Listo you are pretty swell.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Would town traitor veteran on high alert kill conen visitor at all? Complicated stuff for my cat brain.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Listo you are pretty swell.

Yeah its listo go figure him out ;P

 

[MitchRapp]

Well I tried to last night but alas here we are.

 

[Listo95]

Would town traitor veteran on high alert kill conen visitor at all? Complicated stuff for my cat brain.

Vet kills any visitor with Basic or lower defense. So yes they technically could.

 

[Listo95]

Listo you are pretty swell.

I mean I am the towniest town to ever town.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I mean I am the towniest town to ever town.

Yeah every time even if you dont have time.

 

[MitchRapp]

I mean I am the towniest town to ever town.

That's a good reason for me to visit.

 

[Dreyski]

If I've been keeping track correctly, I don't think this list is fully possible.

Which part? The second part is reads and feels, which is subjective almost by definition. It's also predicated on there being 0 neutral roles, which we don't know yet

 

[GrumpyCat]

There are random writeups in this game. Just keep eyes open on orange.

 

[MitchRapp]

Why say no when it feels so good to say yes?

 

[Listo95]

That's a good reason for me to visit.

Ominous.

 

[MitchRapp]

Not at all. We could be friends. Don't you want to be friends with me Listo?

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Jesus quotes not going well on my phone.

Forums are not phone compatible

 

[Sirius Black]

Why not? Do coven rolea have defense?

 

[Listo95]

Why not? Do coven rolea have defense?

The CL does.

 

[Dreyski]

Going to be out of area till EOD today so wanted to get my vote in there while I can.
Vote: 3puppies

The case against him does seem very strong.