Fingers of Suspicion
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Matthieu
Vigilante
My concern is that there's a red and purple faction, something Mazer drew attention to only to wind up dead and now despite getting a town aligned player yeeted - right at the end of the day phase, no less - I'm being asked to give Badger a second chance.
I can't claim though I'm confident that Badger is the way to go today. Confident enough to eat a yeet or a vigil kill if I'm wrong.
I can't claim though I'm confident that Badger is the way to go today. Confident enough to eat a yeet or a vigil kill if I'm wrong.
Jarrod1983
Vigilante
It was more self preservation than a last second push on Grumpy because of BN being taken off the board.
I'm not convinced it was info rather than a gut feel that Badger just hoped was right.
Jarrod1983
Vigilante
Not disagreeing. Just saying the way Matthieu framed that last statement like Badger just got things switched on a whim at the last second which obviously wasn't the case.
Badger does need to smell some farts though just because he said he would.
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
I know there is going to be a lot of questions and votes but do please hear me out…
Okay first person I definitely need to address is Grumpycat I am very very sorry. I genuinely feel fucking horrible about what happened.
However when re-reading the N1 actions I had jumped to the wrong conclusion and his pink GIF Claws post saying I was pink made me paranoid. It was a fuck up….just as big as if not more so in Mafia Universe Champs when I thought Marl was being sus and I shot him. I’ve had a horrible game so far and trying my best to make things right.
I believe I now have a better understanding in my info and especially given what happened after Grumpy’s will role reveal my lean right now at the moment is on Jarrod. I am not entirely confident in this but given what happened with our vote steals I think I might know what he has been up to. I could very well be wrong and appreciate folks are not going to buy this right away but I have been genuinely trying to solve.
Okay first person I definitely need to address is Grumpycat I am very very sorry. I genuinely feel fucking horrible about what happened.
However when re-reading the N1 actions I had jumped to the wrong conclusion and his pink GIF Claws post saying I was pink made me paranoid. It was a fuck up….just as big as if not more so in Mafia Universe Champs when I thought Marl was being sus and I shot him. I’ve had a horrible game so far and trying my best to make things right.
I believe I now have a better understanding in my info and especially given what happened after Grumpy’s will role reveal my lean right now at the moment is on Jarrod. I am not entirely confident in this but given what happened with our vote steals I think I might know what he has been up to. I could very well be wrong and appreciate folks are not going to buy this right away but I have been genuinely trying to solve.
Jarrod1983
Vigilante
Nah I'm not scum and have been here trying to solve. At this point I think we're looking at Future, BN and maybe Matthieu for trying to throw you under the bus...which I didn't do pal. Just because I ended up losing a vote doesn't make me guilty.
Foxxi
Administrator
I'm also of the opinion there is only one purple player, for a number of reasons.
The first and most recent: Grumpy's yeet. Anyone who might have been purple would have known that Grumpy wasn't.... so everyone that voted there thinking Badger had info is extremely unlikely to be purple - they'd more than likely have wanted to avoid it knowing it would probably look bad.
This is: Matthieu, BN, Drey, Val, future, MTR, Badger - and of course myself but whatever.
That leaves: jarrod, LDG, Tildey, Peter, Insaner
The second reason: I would expect if there were a group of purple players I would garnered more support yeeting claws than I did, since it wouldn't matter to them who went over
The third reason: We may have seen multiple purple names, but we've never seen what looks like multiple purple actions.
The fourth reason: We have seen a total of five red - there were four distinct red actions N2 and that was after claws died. With five red players I seriously doubt there is more than one purple.
The first and most recent: Grumpy's yeet. Anyone who might have been purple would have known that Grumpy wasn't.... so everyone that voted there thinking Badger had info is extremely unlikely to be purple - they'd more than likely have wanted to avoid it knowing it would probably look bad.
This is: Matthieu, BN, Drey, Val, future, MTR, Badger - and of course myself but whatever.
That leaves: jarrod, LDG, Tildey, Peter, Insaner
The second reason: I would expect if there were a group of purple players I would garnered more support yeeting claws than I did, since it wouldn't matter to them who went over
The third reason: We may have seen multiple purple names, but we've never seen what looks like multiple purple actions.
The fourth reason: We have seen a total of five red - there were four distinct red actions N2 and that was after claws died. With five red players I seriously doubt there is more than one purple.
Foxxi
Administrator
I believe I know why you lean to jarrod. But I personally think he has played very town here, and should be left alone in favor of the people I think are red, and only considered if working through the poe doesn't end the game.
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
Fair. I shall definitely take time to have another look as not wholly confident.
Foxxi
Administrator
I don't think purple is a threat. We haven't seen purple kill, but we did see a lightning rod effect that may or may not have made sure the scum kill failed, potentially pulling it to themselves.Fair. I shall definitely take time to have another look as not wholly confident.
ForgottenHold
Vigilante
then why are you voting Matthieu?
Matthieu
Vigilante
He isn't and given your role, I highly doubt you have information to work with. I, however, do and will happily accept a yeet today if it means Badger is gone in the night or the next day phase.
LemonDemonGirl
Scum Hunter
Matthieu
Vigilante
You're mistaken. Intentionally or otherwise. You can opt to take him out this day phase or the next but I am confident that he is the best choice for today's yeet.
MTR
Godfather
I agree. I don't think Badger is scum. I think it was just a mistake
Foxxi
Administrator
You were saying?
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
I am going to tell a story what happened today. Bear in mind I have a bad back.
50p fell out my wallet when I was coming out the pub going down the Main Street in Perth. Some guy finishing a late shift in Tescos with a Matthieu name badge on his uniform seemingly offered to pick it up given my predicament and I was grateful. Turned out he ran away and is probably going to put it through his own till buying a pack of tic-tacos because the staff discount just isn’t enough.
50p fell out my wallet when I was coming out the pub going down the Main Street in Perth. Some guy finishing a late shift in Tescos with a Matthieu name badge on his uniform seemingly offered to pick it up given my predicament and I was grateful. Turned out he ran away and is probably going to put it through his own till buying a pack of tic-tacos because the staff discount just isn’t enough.
MTR
Godfather
Well since BN is still alive we don't know if his info was a mistake or not.
I feel that it was not a scum Badger move.
Jarrod1983
Vigilante
Badger loves mafia and pretty much was in self preserve mode which anybody who wants to play would be. He probably already had a idea of Grumpy being purple in his mind and since BN was taken off the menu, Badger didn't have much else then to try to stay alive and test his gut theory out.
Jarrod1983
Vigilante
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
Just as you’re dropping, Leo will pull his sword up.
Jarrod1983
Vigilante
Badger I'm flattered but I'm not looking for a committed relationship at this time.
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
You sure? He has a good lightning rod so I’ve been told.
Jarrod1983
Vigilante
Yeah just not my style buddy.
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
His hopes have been splintered…ah well
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Insaner
Scum Hunter
At this point I'm just praying wolves will shoot you by the time you come around to yeeting me so I will hopefully have a better chance of convincing more reasonable people.
LemonDemonGirl
Scum Hunter
PsychoSoldier
Administrator
Matthieu
Vigilante
Badger's purple. I'm willing to soak a yeet today if that is what it takes to finally get people to see sense. I'm starting to suspect that Nightingale is purple as well. This is probably going to be another game where ballsy scum pretend to be town and cruise to victory which I hope isn't the case but the more switched on players such as CWE, Void and Mazer are ending up dead to night kills and Grumpy was the victim of a pretty obvious and desperate last minute gamble at a misyeet.
At the very least you'd expect more hesitation, right? But there isn't much - just the usual 'haha just badger things' as if scum aren't going to pull any stunt necessary and lie in order to win.
You're probably one of the next to be taken out at night or misyeeted because you're vocal with the seeds of suspicion being cast your way.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
I can see it as a possibility that Badger's purple. I don't think he is red given that he was the counter wagon to Blind Ninja, who is very likely a red and was saved yesterday.Badger's purple. I'm willing to soak a yeet today if that is what it takes to finally get people to see sense. I'm starting to suspect that Nightingale is purple as well. This is probably going to be another game where ballsy scum pretend to be town and cruise to victory which I hope isn't the case but the more switched on players such as CWE, Void and Mazer are ending up dead to night kills and Grumpy was the victim of a pretty obvious and desperate last minute gamble at a misyeet.
At the very least you'd expect more hesitation, right? But there isn't much - just the usual 'haha just badger things' as if scum aren't going to pull any stunt necessary and lie in order to win.
You're probably one of the next to be taken out at night or misyeeted because you're vocal with the seeds of suspicion being cast your way.
Why do you think purple is a priority over red? I haven't seen them killing anyone so far...
Matthieu
Vigilante
I think we've been very lucky in regards to how night actions have played out and with Grumpy's role serving to delay night actions, the next night phase is potentially going to be brutal - hence the desperation for Badger to be excused for another day phase in order to take full advantage of that fact.
CWE didn't die during a night phase but at the end of a day phase.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
For the record, Grumpy told people to ignore his N2 result. Do you think Jarrod used the lightning rod to pull Grumpy's action onto him?
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Is it info from your role on Badger or was it your inference from the mod posts?
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Sounds like it is info from your role.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Just gonna point this out... Willing to give badger benefit of the doubt on his fuck up... But wasnt willing to give me one
Val the Moofia Boss
Scum Hunter
Insaner
Scum Hunter
What made you think I wasn't willing yo give you the benefit of the doubt? I came into D3 suspecting you very heavily but I wasn't saying "BN is 100% scum". I was saying that IF scum were trying to save Claws then your play on D3 fit that description. But the possibility remained for me that you were town. I took the day to watch and see which person in my 4-person Poe I wanted to end up on. And even voted Tildey for the large part of the day.
I feel like you were mostly just pleading for yourself yesterday. There's also an issue of you being saved from votes yesterday. What do you think was up with that?
Matthieu
Vigilante
Will you join me on Badger? I know we don't always see eye to eye but he's not to be trusted.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Its the tone difference between your interactions. With me, didnt seem like BoD
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Well, my reads on you and Badger ARE different. I don't actually view his stunt yesterday as scummy even. It just sounds like he thought he was onto something and talking himself into it. And I liked his engagement otherwise. But having a scum read on you doesn't mean not giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I kinda think you're outed today though after what happened yesterday with the votes.
Blind Ninja
Mastermind
Im not scum. And dont have any results that can move the vote.
Im sure scum did it to paint me red. Just going to give them more free room to play the game.
Also not surprised I was blocked last night. Since I could have potentially proven my worth to town.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Part of the reason for my cheeky tone though was because I wanted to highlight the difference in how Foxxi is reacting to Badger being wrong about something vs how she has reacted to me being wrong about something.
Badger was generally being towny, then he had a read that was wrong, and pushed it through to cause a miselemination of Grumpy instead of what was very likely to be a Future yeet. And he can be forgiven.
I had a read that was wrong, didn't even push for it that hard, didn't end up causing a miselimination, mafia got yeeted. Have stayed active and posted agreeable content that became the narrative for the following day, looks extremely likely like I accurately called out at minimum 2 mafia members at SoD, before anyone else did, before Mazer's info, before the shenanigans with BN's vote immunity. And yet I am in the same tier for Foxxi as two near outed wolves.
Maybe it's the order in which things have occured that counts and she is just going with her first impression?
Badger was generally being towny, then he had a read that was wrong, and pushed it through to cause a miselemination of Grumpy instead of what was very likely to be a Future yeet. And he can be forgiven.
I had a read that was wrong, didn't even push for it that hard, didn't end up causing a miselimination, mafia got yeeted. Have stayed active and posted agreeable content that became the narrative for the following day, looks extremely likely like I accurately called out at minimum 2 mafia members at SoD, before anyone else did, before Mazer's info, before the shenanigans with BN's vote immunity. And yet I am in the same tier for Foxxi as two near outed wolves.
Maybe it's the order in which things have occured that counts and she is just going with her first impression?
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Well, without knowing whose action it was exactly, I don't think scum would have done it if Badger was on their team. I think the first paragraph of the night post might suggest it was a red action though.
Who do you think the read members are?
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Or rather this part is what I was referring to thinking it could have caused the votes on Blind Ninja to be cancelled. But seeing as this is from N3 then maybe not?
Actually, I think that "stole the show with their shocking announcement" might be referring to it being a purple action. Could be a day action or even a part of lightning rod action N2, which just said that 2.5 hours (or however long it was) the top lead wagon would become vote immine.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
I'm not going to argue that there's more than 1 purple. I think you are probably right about that mainly because we haven't seen more than 1 purple action and it also wouldn't make sense numbers-wise.
But that reason to discount people as being purple is completely bollocks.
But that reason to discount people as being purple is completely bollocks.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
If yesterday's shenanigans were indeed a purple action then it seems unlikely to me that Badger's done it.
Which in turn makes me doubt Matthew's claim.
Matthieu
Vigilante
You can doubt it all you like, in which case just yeet me and you can deal with Badger during the next day phase using my flip and will as proof. Once Badger is dealt with, I strongly suggest looking at Nightingale next who will no doubt prove to be particularly evasive.
As for my vote on Grumpy, I based my vote on Badger's apparent earnest plea which I even quoted alongside my vote...there was very little time left during the day phase and pursuing a lead that was supposedly based on solid intel seemed the better course of action to give us something solid to work with.
As for my vote on Grumpy, I based my vote on Badger's apparent earnest plea which I even quoted alongside my vote...there was very little time left during the day phase and pursuing a lead that was supposedly based on solid intel seemed the better course of action to give us something solid to work with.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
I'd rather not yeet anyone that is town if we can at all avoid it. I don't think town has the numbers to go 1 for 1 each time.
I understand that you want to go for someone you are sure of instead of going for an unknown. But why do you think we should go after a purple today as opposed to red?
I understand that you want to go for someone you are sure of instead of going for an unknown. But why do you think we should go after a purple today as opposed to red?
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Sorry, just remember you had already answered that.
Foxxi
Administrator
One: badger is town.
Two: any actions grumpy delayed - if any - were probably delayed no more than one night I'd imagine, so whatever he delayed N2 would have happened last night.
And again, the most important thing here: Badger is town.
BN/Future/Matthieu = scum
Insaner/peter -- one of these is the last one
Purple isn't hostile.
Two: any actions grumpy delayed - if any - were probably delayed no more than one night I'd imagine, so whatever he delayed N2 would have happened last night.
And again, the most important thing here: Badger is town.
BN/Future/Matthieu = scum
Insaner/peter -- one of these is the last one
Purple isn't hostile.
Foxxi
Administrator
Signal Boost.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Hey, it's progress.
Matthieu
Vigilante
...?
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
It’s not quite like that. I’m wary of spelling things out too much but hopeful of people figuring it out. I think Foxxi might have figured it.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
I'm fact I think there's a good chance that the mafia team here are just the people who were mafia in that game minus myself :D
I don't remember if Matthew was in that game
Matthieu
Vigilante
I think Mazer might disagree with that...
Like I said, though, feel free to yeet me today so town can see my flip and will. Then the next day phase can be spent taking down Badger.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
I had a role read on Foxxi from early in D1 but I have no idea if that was right or wrong lol
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
Is this just a gut feel because of what happened to Grumpy?
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
Insaner
Scum Hunter
He's claiming to have you confirmed as purple
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
If he keeps going down that rabbit hole, he can have some of the egg I’m still wiping off my face
Insaner
Scum Hunter
My understanding is that this is the "this is true or I'm mafia" type of situation
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Or rather after a successful yeet in F5
Val the Moofia Boss
Scum Hunter
Val the Moofia Boss
Scum Hunter
You think scum could be boldly claiming to have guilty information and trying to brute force town to lynch whoever they want and hope they achieve majority before town turna against them?
Insaner
Scum Hunter
That's what I would have done.
Badger
“70% Furry, 30% Filthy, 100% Fun”
It’s reading to me that if he’s scum, they’re having him go out there to force a misyeet on me then they might sacrifice him.
Matthieu
Vigilante
Then don't. We've already been through this:
That's what the system is there for.
Val the Moofia Boss
Scum Hunter
Val the Moofia Boss
Scum Hunter
Right now the only player I townlean is Insaner, but that doesn't mean he can't be wrong, and with so many people at each other's throats a lot of people are probably wrong. I am a little irked by Nightingale and inclined to scumlean her but she could also be a town who is wrong too.
Badger could have been genuinely mistaken about Grumpy, but as Foxxie said we can't just take "I'm not scum, honest" posts at face value. Matt is saying he's confident Badger is the way to go, and Badger did get Grumpy killed. What I am trying to reconcile is this new direction towards Badger when we still have the unfinished business with BN from yesterday and he has been seemingly forgotten, and then there is future. That's three targets.
Badger could have been genuinely mistaken about Grumpy, but as Foxxie said we can't just take "I'm not scum, honest" posts at face value. Matt is saying he's confident Badger is the way to go, and Badger did get Grumpy killed. What I am trying to reconcile is this new direction towards Badger when we still have the unfinished business with BN from yesterday and he has been seemingly forgotten, and then there is future. That's three targets.
Val the Moofia Boss
Scum Hunter
Though at a certain point we can't keep waffling and have to crap or get off the pot. So for me it's between these three. And as I said earlier it feels like there is a scary chance that a scum is going to slide by and then won't get focused on again and I feel that's what is happening with BN, though if we lynch BN today and Matt dies tonight then Badger could slide by too. Too many targets. And Mazer flipped town so going after BN seems to be the safer choice.
Unvote: Futurehold
Vote: Blind Ninja
Unvote: Futurehold
Vote: Blind Ninja
Insaner
Scum Hunter
Reading this again, and assuming that yesterday's save on BN was done by purple, it sounds like reds may have tried to make one of them vote immune and possibly got stopped.
If so, then if someone had a blocking action and used it last night then it's possible that their target is Shigesato Itoi or whatever.
Insaner
Scum Hunter
I forgot Val was on that team and is also playing here
I'm not currently scum reading Val but I guess there's a chance
