Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

[CRichardFoL]

child, please

Aww man you should have kept your mouth shut.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'm not sure which of rock and richard I like less atm

You've never seen me before yes?

 

[Foxxi]

Seriously? You make a sitting on the fence post like this Night? Thanks for giving something I hate more than Rock's double standards.

How is it sitting on the fence? I've been saying all day that I don't like either of you... and now you at each other's throats. It makes me almost think I can't be right about you both, but then I I'm not sure which one is the more likely scum. Or if this is some brilliant theatre.

 

[Dreyski]

Vote: grumpycat

placeholder vote in case everything goes off while I'm asleep.

 

[CRichardFoL]

How is it sitting on the fence? I've been saying all day that I don't like either of you... and now you at each other's throats. It makes me almost think I can't be right about you both, but then I I'm not sure which one is the more likely scum. Or if this is some brilliant theatre.

And why can't Rock and I be town/town?

 

[CRichardFoL]

Sure Rock can be scum from my perspective, yet the thread seems to be avoiding us like the plague.

 

[CRichardFoL]

It makes me almost think I can't be right about you both

Oh you scum read both Rock and me before? It's a miracle your mind is open to change.

 

[Foxxi]

And why can't Rock and I be town/town?

Because I currently have you both in my poe for different reasons. It's not impossible I'm wrong about you both, but I think there's probably at least one scum between you two.

 

[VoidKitten]

Sure Rock can be scum from my perspective, yet the thread seems to be avoiding us like the plague.

Pretty sure I pushed you and have been sitting on you most of today. Can't say we have ignored you.

I haven't gotten involved in your back in forth because Im interested where it is headed.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I'm not really pushing richard. Which I'm sure will make night go "they r distancing from each other!"

 

[CRichardFoL]

Pretty sure I pushed you and have been sitting on you most of today. Can't say we have ignored you.

I haven't gotten involved in your back in forth because Im interested where it is headed.

I'm aware of that. It's more how the thread is approaching Rock and I arguing.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I do think that nights reasoning for scum reading me is made up nonsense though.

Vote: night

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote Count:

Void (2) - BN, val
Grump (3) - psych, claws, Dreyski
Kryll (3) - matt, jarrod, CRich
Matt (1) -grump
CRichard (1) - VK
Nightingale (1) - Rock

Hammer is 9

Should be right

 

[Mazer]

I was being nice while I was traveling.

Now I'm one flight away from home and cranky.

Not counting anyone who doesn’t unvote. And I might just have the second vote completed cancel the first.

I've got layers.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Even if kyrll was roleblocked I don't think that 100% means he can't be scum. It assumes that all scum acted and were in the write up and scum can't have a passive role. Also I think there was a scum action b4 the "block"

 

[VoidKitten]

I was being nice while I was traveling.

Now I'm one flight away from home and cranky.

Not counting anyone who doesn’t unvote. And I might just have the second vote completed cancel the first.

I've got layers.

Travel anywhere fun?

 

[CRichardFoL]

I was being nice while I was traveling.

Now I'm one flight away from home and cranky.

Not counting anyone who doesn’t unvote. And I might just have the second vote completed cancel the first.

I've got layers.

It sounds like you had a pleasant trip.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'm not sure which of rock and richard I like less atm

This post sucks balls unironically.

 

[VoidKitten]

Even if kyrll was roleblocked I don't think that 100% means he can't be scum. It assumes that all scum acted and were in the write up and scum can't have a passive role. Also I think there was a scum action b4 the "block"

The order of actions typically does not matter, at least in my games. There are some abilities that go ahead of blocks, but those are typically the super strong ones.

If he was roleblocked, he is cleared from acting from 5 scum roles. There could be a 6th or yes there are some shenanigans. It is not a full clear, but if he was roleblocked he should not be considered until later.

We only thought about him with Matthieu's info claim that Dreyski is now counter claiming basically.

 

[VoidKitten]

EBWOP: Order of actions in the writeup*

There is still definitely and order of actions to resolve.

 

[Foxxi]

Even if kyrll was roleblocked I don't think that 100% means he can't be scum. It assumes that all scum acted and were in the write up and scum can't have a passive role. Also I think there was a scum action b4 the "block"

We saw 5 red characters act (and future was a dead 6th), and the 3p - if he was roleblocked the probability of him being scum is pretty damn slim. It would mean the scum team had to start with 7, which I find unlikely.

 

[VoidKitten]

What am I missing with Nightingale? It really feels like both of you are OMGUS simultaneously.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'm not really pushing richard. Which I'm sure will make night go "they r distancing from each other!"

Oh yeah totally. No one will see it coming. /s

 

[rock meets hard place]

why is 7 unlikely?

 

[VoidKitten]

Oh yeah totally. No one will see it coming. /s

You were supposed to put this in scum chat.

 

[CRichardFoL]

You were supposed to put this in scum chat.

I would have done so if I had one.

 

[VoidKitten]

why is 7 unlikely?

7 would be the max imo. It's 6 or 7.

 

[rock meets hard place]

What am I missing with Nightingale? It really feels like both of you are OMGUS simultaneously.

I probably am a little bit but I feel like her reason to push me as scum b/c "we aren't agreeing this game" just feels like a scum accusation. and its probably true, i.e. she's scum and I'm town.

 

[Foxxi]

why is 7 unlikely?

In a game this size I wouldn't expect the scum team to have more than 6. It's not impossible they started with 7 I suppose, but the past several games have had a team of 6

 

[Kryllian]

7 would be the max imo. It's 6 or 7.

7 seems unlikely for balance. 6 is probably even a push.

With the reducing majority count if we don't come to a consensus each day it would be too easy for scum to block a majority vote for two days and have enough votes to not have enough to control day lynches and win by D3/4

 

[Dreyski]

Even if kyrll was roleblocked I don't think that 100% means he can't be scum. It assumes that all scum acted and were in the write up and scum can't have a passive role. Also I think there was a scum action b4 the "block"

For the first part it's not impossible that he flips non-town. And if he does I'll tip my hat to him, and y'all can yeet me.
But if I'm right, he can't be:
Screwtape (was future)
Psycho666soldier
Robot Devil
Mom
Flemeth
Corporate Music Tycoon
Jennifer Lawrence

on the second part, what's the point of a "block" if actions can bypass/precede it?

 

[VoidKitten]

7 seems unlikely for balance. 6 is probably even a push.

With the reducing majority count if we don't come to a consensus each day it would be too easy for scum to block a majority vote for two days and have enough votes to not have enough to control day lynches and win by D3/4

I do not see a world lower than 6. These games are typically more scum heavy than normal balance due to writeups.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I also don't really like her thing about me asking Xan why he labeled his reads day 1 reads. I don't know if thats just being overly paranoid or if she's just making junk up but we know wich way I lean.

also isn't she supposed to be a god tier player?, its day 3 and she hasn't found any scum yet, unless grumpy ends up being scum.

 

[VoidKitten]

on the second part, what's the point of a "block" if actions can bypass/precede it?

So, in my games, the ressurections, wishes, mass roleblocks, etc were all unblockable. They just worked. But these are few and far between.

I've also had some abilities work instantly and not during night so it just happened (usually my swap abilities)

 

[rock meets hard place]

lets flip grumpy and the BOP night if he's town

 

[rock meets hard place]

or wait, she was voting future d1 right?

 

[CRichardFoL]

I had a secret tinfoil that Rock and Night are both scum and I was being massively snowed by both of them, yet Rock probably doesn't talk about Night the way they have today if they are scum/scum.
Sure one of them can be 3rd party/scum, yet I don't see the two of them sharing a common scum chat.

 

[Dreyski]

So, in my games, the ressurections, wishes, mass roleblocks, etc were all unblockable. They just worked. But these are few and far between.

I've also had some abilities work instantly and not during night so it just happened (usually my swap abilities)

Well, quite. I was thinking strongman kills and the like. But I don't see any of that N1. The closest is a double kill (one off? motivated?

I'm now trying to think of a scenario where Matthieu gives his info in good faith. I'm really trying.

 

[Dreyski]

I had a secret tinfoil that Rock and Night are both scum and I was being massively snowed by both of them, yet Rock probably doesn't talk about Night the way they have today if they are scum/scum.
Sure one of them can be 3rd party/scum, yet I don't see the two of them sharing a common scum chat.

Wasn't rock investigated N2 (but I can't accurately place the action)?

 

[CRichardFoL]

Wasn't rock investigated N2 (but I can't accurately place the action)?

Beats me. Reading songs to figure out night actions isn't exactly my area of expertise.

 

[rock meets hard place]

just for shits and giggles was your tinfoil before or after I called you outt?

 

[VoidKitten]

Beats me. Reading songs to figure out night actions isn't exactly my area of expertise.

I think the song may just be flavor. If there were a bunch of red names on lines with green, id say its worth it. But that looks not the same.

The stuff before it has flavor based on the actions.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Liara sing. She had been in the process of connecting with The Warden the previous night, and his life energy lingered. Liara used this effect to create a life force around Rock.

this is maybe a doc on me?

 

[CRichardFoL]

just for shits and giggles was your tinfoil before or after I called you outt?

Before.

 

[CRichardFoL]

It's more accurate to say the "call out" is hypocrisy at its best though enough words have been said about it.

 

[Foxxi]

Well, quite. I was thinking strongman kills and the like. But I don't see any of that N1. The closest is a double kill (one off? motivated?

I'm now trying to think of a scenario where Matthieu gives his info in good faith. I'm really trying.

He may be confused or just wrong - but what makes you think it would not be in good faith?

 

[CRichardFoL]

I still find Night's post saying "I don't know which of Rock or CRich is more likely to be scum" is terrible. It's a play the politician post, which is especially egregious if it turns out Rock is town.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I swear to God I'm talking to a brick wall...probably

 

[CRichardFoL]

I had Night as one of my most confident town reads, yet playing politician with Rock and I doesn't sit right with me.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I swear to God I'm talking to a brick wall...probably

That's funny. I'm getting the same feeling as well.

 

[Dreyski]

this is maybe a doc on me?

That's how I read it, but I was referring to the Listo action on you a little further down.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I'd be willing to flip if you guys promise to kill NG

 

[Matthieu]

Unvote: Kryllian

If Dreyski doesn't think Kryllian is the way to go then I'll respect that.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'd be willing to flip if you guys promise to kill NG

First who is NG? And 2nd, why do want to be flipped? You aren't consensus enemy #1 in thread unless I'm blind.

 

[rock meets hard place]

NightenGale. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be against 1v1ing her.

 

[Foxxi]

me, he's offering himself in exchange for me.... which, that I actually kinda town read. He's wrong about me, but the willingness to put his own neck on the line for it - I don't think that comes from scum who know they'll be proven wrong

 

[VoidKitten]

me, he's offering himself in exchange for me.... which, that I actually kinda town read. He's wrong about me, but the willingness to put his own neck on the line for it - I don't think that comes from scum who know they'll be proven wrong

This is assuming he actually thought anyone would take him up on it.

 

[rock meets hard place]

yeah, she knows im going to flip town. can we kill it yet?

 

[Foxxi]

Unvote: Kryllian

If Dreyski doesn't think Kryllian is the way to go then I'll respect that.

I did not expect this. You were absolutely certain earlier and I don't see what changed for you

 

[Dreyski]

He may be confused or just wrong - but what makes you think it would not be in good faith?

Why would he fakeclaim to get someone potentially cleared of seven non-town roles yeeted? Why would he stake his life on it and then back down?

I have my reasons, follow them or don't.

Very certain - and yes, I'll stake my life on it.

Unvote: Kryllian

If Dreyski doesn't think Kryllian is the way to go then I'll respect that.

 

[Matthieu]

I did not expect this. You were absolutely certain earlier and I don't see what changed for you

I trust Dreyski. It's late and I ran out of Irn Bru so I can't pull an all nighter without crashing so I won't be around much more tonight but I wanted to clarify my stance.

 

[VoidKitten]

What even is this game?

 

[Jarrod1983]

but why would I assume nights vote is a reaction test as opposed to night voting there b/c there's info being claimed on the slot?

matt and Jarrod are certainly voting there since they think krylian is scum.

I was following information. Matt has since unvoted saying he'd respect Dreyski saying we should go another way or whatever.

Which is bullshit. If you have info and you out for everyone then why unvote. You rally the troops or why else out the information?

Unvote: Kryllian

 

[Foxxi]

Why would he fakeclaim to get someone potentially cleared of seven non-town roles yeeted? Why would he stake his life on it and then back down?

That's my point though? What does he have to gain from doing that as scum? I mean, I've seen Matthieu do some crazy shit - but usually when he is under more pressure than that. So to me it seems more likely he's town and just... confused?

 

[Listo95]

What even is this game?

 

[CRichardFoL]

What even is this game?

A flustercuck that's what.

 

[VoidKitten]

That's my point though? What does he have to gain from doing that as scum? I mean, I've seen Matthieu do some crazy shit - but usually when he is under more pressure than that. So to me it seems more likely he's town and just... confused?

Either that or pulling a play like he likes to do.

 

[Dreyski]

 

[Matthieu]

Either that or pulling a play like he likes to do.

No. I misread something in the write-up, convinced myself that Kryllian had a BPV that popped and that he was either a serial killer or a godfather. I do learn from my mistakes and I recognised I was stubbornly doubling down in the same way I convinced myself that you were scum in that game a while back where I insisted you had to be lying when you weren't.

 

[Mazer]

It sounds like you had a pleasant trip.

It was OK. Just delays and a long layover on the way back. Primarily tired and ready to get home.

 

[Mazer]

Travel anywhere fun?

North Carolina. Nice area. Mostly worked

 

[Claws]

I was being nice while I was traveling.

Now I'm one flight away from home and cranky.

Not counting anyone who doesn’t unvote. And I might just have the second vote completed cancel the first.

I've got layers.

Easy there onion boy

 

[Foxxi]

No. I misread something in the write-up, convinced myself that Kryllian had a BPV that popped and that he was either a serial killer or a godfather. I do learn from my mistakes and I recognised I was stubbornly doubling down in the same way I convinced myself that you were scum in that game a while back where I insisted you had to be lying when you weren't.

Okay, I hate this. We had this conversation yesterday- there was only one action on kryllian to even interpret in the write up and you seemed to be the only person thinking it was an attack instead of a roleblock -- so when you stayed adamant about it I thought you were trying to subtly say you knew it was an attack. Now you're saying you interpreted it wrong which means you *didn't* actually have info and were just trying to get Kryllian yeeted because.... you thought you read it better than the rest of us??
Vote: Matthieu

 

[Matthieu]

Okay, I hate this. We had this conversation yesterday- there was only one action on kryllian to even interpret in the write up and you seemed to be the only person thinking it was an attack instead of a roleblock -- so when you stayed adamant about it I thought you were trying to subtly say you knew it was an attack. Now you're saying you interpreted it wrong which means you *didn't* actually have info and were just trying to get Kryllian yeeted because.... you thought you read it better than the rest of us??
Vote: Matthieu

Are you suddenly incapable of reading my other post where I mentioned that there was more to it than the writeup, though due to the rules I cannot claim?

 

[Foxxi]

Are you suddenly incapable of reading my other post where I mentioned that there was more to it than the writeup, though due to the rules I cannot claim?

No... I just am having a hard time understanding why drey coming in and saying "nah bro not kryllian" somehow negates whatever you were thinking. I'm so fucking confused right now.

 

[Matthieu]

No... I just am having a hard time understanding why drey coming in and saying "nah bro not kryllian" somehow negates whatever you were thinking. I'm so fucking confused right now.

I trust Dreyski.

 

[Foxxi]

Unvote: Matthieu
Vote: Grumpy

 

[Jarrod1983]

Okay, I hate this. We had this conversation yesterday- there was only one action on kryllian to even interpret in the write up and you seemed to be the only person thinking it was an attack instead of a roleblock -- so when you stayed adamant about it I thought you were trying to subtly say you knew it was an attack. Now you're saying you interpreted it wrong which means you *didn't* actually have info and were just trying to get Kryllian yeeted because.... you thought you read it better than the rest of us??
Vote: Matthieu

Exactly, like I said what was the point.

Vote: Matthieu

Still not a fan of Richard but literally Night said multiple times Kryl looked good that night from being probably blocked.

Matt said he had information.

Now Matt says misinterpreted the write up.

So saying you had information was a complete fabrication.

Before the unvote Matt, Richard and I were left on Kryl. I could see Rich being scum trying to get numbers going, already think he's up to no good.

 

[Matthieu]

Vote: Grumpy

I'm still a little concerned that Grumpy may be a Jester based on the tone of their posts but it is what it is and we've had scum try to hint at being a Jester precisely to cause people to look elsewhere.

 

[Claws]

If hes a jester hes doin a piss poor job

 

[CRichardFoL]

If hes a jester hes doin a piss poor job

Eh maybe, though WIFOM might show its ugly head here.

 

[rock meets hard place]

idk, I sort of feel like the way Richard was being defensive w/ using nonsense logic was nooblet town. I guess you could argue that he was scum pushing back with nonsensical reasoning and its not impossible.

 

[Matthieu]

Also, no, Jarrod - my information isn't a complete fabrication.

It's almost as if my information wasn't related to Kryllian directly and was instead related to him indirectly.

 

[Foxxi]

I guess this is where I am. It's possible Matt/Drey/Kryllian are all in cahoots and tricking me, but eh.

BN
Matthieu
Drey
Kryllian
LDG
Val
Jarrod
Rock
MTR
Listo
Claws
Psycho
Void
Lettuce
Richard
Grumpy

 

[rock meets hard place]

I don't really think Matt is scum. The fake gulity odr whatever is concerning but would scum really do that?

I had sorta felt like GC wasn't scum b/c his "I'll vote whichever wagon gets to 3" was sorta town that didn't care how he looked. Maybe its NAI or something? idk

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Good lord this thread is turning into a shitshow

 

[CRichardFoL]

Okay, I hate this. We had this conversation yesterday- there was only one action on kryllian to even interpret in the write up and you seemed to be the only person thinking it was an attack instead of a roleblock -- so when you stayed adamant about it I thought you were trying to subtly say you knew it was an attack. Now you're saying you interpreted it wrong which means you *didn't* actually have info and were just trying to get Kryllian yeeted because.... you thought you read it better than the rest of us??
Vote: Matthieu

Night is bussing their scum buddy caught trying to get Kryllian mislunched by the looks of it.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Unvote:
Vote: Nightingale
You're not getting away with playing politician trying to get both Rock and I lunched.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I can help Night buss Mathieu, though I hate letting wolves have town cred.

 

[Claws]

I had sorta felt like GC wasn't scum b/c his "I'll vote whichever wagon gets to 3" was sorta town that didn't care how he looked. Maybe its NAI or something? idk

i strong disagree that just looks like i dont wanna look responsible for my vote to me

 

[CRichardFoL]

Ah just chop Night if Mattheiu is town. I'm pretty sure Night is bussing them.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Ah just chop Night if Mattheiu is mafia. I'm pretty sure Night is bussing them.

EBWODP

 

[rock meets hard place]

oh hey! Night has a read I kind of agree with. Lettuce being mostly MIA and not doing anything is kind of awful but they kind of did the last game so I'm not real sure. But would be a decent flip.

 

[CRichardFoL]

You nearly had me Night, until you gave away your rolecard with Rock/myself interacting. I'll see to it you are booted out of the game, even if I'm eliminated.

 

[CRichardFoL]

1f1 Night and me. Do it or no balls.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Rock is my new friend. Night is our common enemy, gettem.

 

[CRichardFoL]

oh hey! Night has a read I kind of agree with. Lettuce being mostly MIA and not doing anything is kind of awful but they kind of did the last game so I'm not real sure. But would be a decent flip.

We call that pocketing when scum mirrors a townie to get on their good side.

 

[CRichardFoL]

If you have to eliminate me, so be it. Make sure Night is hurled into the sun post haste afterwards.

 

[Foxxi]

*yawn* go on and dig yourself your hole, would you like a shovel?

 

[rock meets hard place]

tbf, Its not like I ever really talked about lettuce and my feelings (I love it on my burgers and in salads) so even if she was scum she wasn't trying to pocket me