Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

[PsychoSoldier]

Doing some cleaning and still gotta catch up on the most recent page, so won't really be around for a while, but thoughts so far:

I agree with Void about CRichard. I was already getting weird vibes about his push on MTR, and in general don't like the narrative of people trying to push him. He reads fine to me so far and think people too often use him as a scapegoat because his style has a lot of 101 scumtell. I don't know if I agree about the hammer stuff(I can buy that he didn't know), but I already had iffy vibes seeing the way he was trying to make MTR a wagon possibility. I also didn't really like his start to this phase where he was pushing theories about where to find scum but wasn't really digging into who. Goes into postulating on Future. Felt like busywork.

I'll always have paranoia when she's alive past the first two nights, but I think Nightingale is probably just town. She's been very involved, one of the loudest voices and drivingest forces, and I think as scum she tends to be a bit more like CRichard's SOD3 where she talks about more hypothetical and theoreticals but doesn't really dig into her reads. Here she's been critically questioning people across the board and then putting that work into action with votes.

Void seems ok to a lesser degree. If Grumpy is scum, I think he's even more likely to be clean, but what I like about today is the way he kind of went right into arguing against vote theories that looked good for him. I also think his push on CRichard felt genuine.

I feel like I had other things I wanted to say but I'm blanking on them now right now. Will be back later with more.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Oh, right, I wanted to put a vote down

Vote: Grumpy

Still want to push this. I think with his vote on Robo, my earlier feelings, Xan dying, and there being so much resistance despite some of the more prominent voices pushing him, it just looks like scum being pushed out of the running for wagons.

What's up with he votes on Kryllian by the way? I feel like he was roleblocked on N1 which narrows down his odds of being scum.

 

[VoidKitten]

What's up with he votes on Kryllian by the way? I feel like he was roleblocked on N1 which narrows down his odds of being scum.

Matthieu is claiming info on him. He said he was very sure in response to Foxxi and then wouldn't tell me how he knew a BPV was popped saying he cannot say more.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Oh, right, I wanted to put a vote down

Vote: Grumpy

Still want to push this. I think with his vote on Robo, my earlier feelings, Xan dying, and there being so much resistance despite some of the more prominent voices pushing him, it just looks like scum being pushed out of the running for wagons.

What's up with he votes on Kryllian by the way? I feel like he was roleblocked on N1 which narrows down his odds of being scum.

Matt claimed he had info I believe.

 

[rock meets hard place]

maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but I think a red kryllian means there has to scum in drey, nightengal and physco, and everyone else in the "but kryllian was roleblocked she's town!" crowd

 

[Blind Ninja]

So we have 4 deaths N1, and a flipless death N2. That makes me think the extra KP is odd nights/inactive, because 4 deaths down to 1 is a stark difference.

someone killing 2 in a night is likely a 1-shot action.

1 of the 4 deaths was what we expect to be the inactivity vig.

4-1 is a stark difference, but I would assume N3 would be 2-3 deaths, depending on the inactivity vig

 

[rock meets hard place]

Vote: Kryllian

 

[Blind Ninja]

I think it was BN who said it was done by AI. Yet another reason to not like AI

You often think its me who says things... It was not me talking about AI

 

[Blind Ninja]

I'm not sure if this is towny or TMI. This post irks me.

It was a lazy vote... Robo had no content for people to form an opinion on. And we appear to have an inactivity kill. You have the same info as I do on that.

You think its TMI? So you think 5 scum acted on n1, 2 acting on me, just to get me mostly cleared from scum? You think thats the play here?

 

[Blind Ninja]

Void seems fine from what I've seen so far. Their train today feels lazy, and I can see potential scum latching on for back to back mislunches.

This makes me want to look at GC and VK, as they also died flipless N2 afterwards.

So which is it... void is fine and their train is lazy OR you want to look at vk?

 

[Blind Ninja]

Let me bring the fact that Xan was a 0 poster, and then D2 scum decided they were the biggest and had to die N2.

In the post just before this, you showed that Xan was posting... so how is it now he is a 0 poster

 

[rock meets hard place]

this one time at band camp,


mafia shot a "good player" and all the town were like "they were shot b/c their reads were good. 4 mislynches later that was clearly debunked. But yea, nka is just wonky anyway so I wouldn't even be following it regardless of who shot

 

[rock meets hard place]

nightengale also has both psycho and drey as null. So thats where we should be going tomorrow I think.

 

[Foxxi]

Lmao that series of Rock posts reads like he already knows what Kryllian will flip as.

 

[rock meets hard place]

i mean, there's info being claimed on him so...nice try to try to push me as a partner.

 

[Foxxi]

Nothing in the info claimed specified he had to be red.

 

[rock meets hard place]

then why are voting someone that you don't think flips madia?

 

[rock meets hard place]

*mafia

 

[rock meets hard place]

I mean in theory kyrillan could be 3rd party and not mafia and I don't really care which.

 

[rock meets hard place]

but I think it's odd for you to vote said player and then rag on me for assuming that flips scum. Like, it makes no sense for me (or you) to assume that its 3rd party instead of mafia.

 

[rock meets hard place]

there are AT LEAST 5 mafia and only 1 known 3p. So the correct assumption is that Kyrlian is mafia but maybe it is 3rd party and you just know he's not on your team.

 

[Blind Ninja]

but I think it's odd for you to vote said player and then rag on me for assuming that flips scum. Like, it makes no sense for me (or you) to assume that its 3rd party instead of mafia.

I think its odd that you dont realize the vote is because Matt says he has info on kryll

 

[rock meets hard place]

I don't?

 

[Foxxi]

but I think it's odd for you to vote said player and then rag on me for assuming that flips scum. Like, it makes no sense for me (or you) to assume that its 3rd party instead of mafia.

I think it's odd that you assumed info = red, and then started declaring what we should do tomorrow based off that. I also think your defensiveness about it instead of just a "oh shit, it could be something else, I didn't think that through fully" is sus

 

[Claws]

Vote: grumpy

I see the kryllian thing but confused on what the info implys gunna go with my gut

 

[rock meets hard place]

Usually when people vote someone they think that they are scum. If it's just "it wasn't a roleblock" then I'm not sure why you and void are voting there. I'm not being defensive about it but you have to make SOMETHING up.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Usually when people vote someone they think that they are scum. If it's just "it wasn't a roleblock" then I'm not sure why you and void are voting there. I'm not being defensive about it but you have to make SOMETHING up.

Some people vote with the implied info to test the info. The fact that you cant see that or arent willing to entertain that idea, doesnt look good for you

 

[rock meets hard place]

but why would I assume nights vote is a reaction test as opposed to night voting there b/c there's info being claimed on the slot?

matt and Jarrod are certainly voting there since they think krylian is scum.

 

[Mazer]

Void (2) - BN, val
Grump (2) - psych, claws
Kryll (5) - matt, night, vk, jarrod, rock
Matt (1) -grump

Hammer is 9

 

[CRichardFoL]

In the post just before this, you showed that Xan was posting... so how is it now he is a 0 poster

You obviously aren't paying attention. I'm referring to Xan 0 posting D1, then became enough of a threat to be killed by scum, as I doubt it was an inactivity vig.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I thought this aswell as if you want a counter train you generally start hopping on an already built locomotion vs trying to start one yourself

Because as far as I was aware, MTR was close in votes yet obviously not in hindsight because there's no automatic VC unlike Mafia Universe.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I should add that GC saying they're cleared after the Future flip feels that they want to rely on the cred of voting Future, than solve. That gave me a bad feeling at the time, which is exacerbated from helping to flip the Robo train as town.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Vote: GrumpyCat
I'm fine with this.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Unvote: Kryll

I'll be back later if thats where we end up going but we should use more of our deadline

 

[CRichardFoL]

So which is it... void is fine and their train is lazy OR you want to look at vk?

I found VK fine so far today, yet I'm double checking them because of Xan's legacy. I don't think their death was caused by an inactivity vigi.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I've seen inactivity vigis before, and unless I've been living in a cave. They tend to either have restrictions on bottom 5 posters or less than 10 during the day before.
Xan as far as I can tell wouldn't fit either of those criteria if these are the restriction/s for an inactivity vigi.

 

[rock meets hard place]

lowkey hate Richard avoiding the kryll situation

 

[VoidKitten]

I've seen inactivity vigis before, and unless I've been living in a cave. They tend to either have restrictions on bottom 5 posters or less than 10 during the day before.
Xan as far as I can tell wouldn't fit either of those criteria if these are the restriction/s for an inactivity vigi.

It is likely not casting a vote during the phase and/or not hitting 5 posts during the phase. This is in the rules as a "strong suggestion" which is how we usually hint at it recently.

 

[CRichardFoL]

lowkey hate Richard avoiding the kryll situation

I'm not avoiding it. I haven't seen anything that clears them, and apparently there's sus on them from apparent mech.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Rock I think you're being hypocritical saying I'm avoiding Kryll, when you unvoted them just now.

 

[Listo95]

Listo is pretty sure the song hid all scum actions, the kill wasn’t in the writeup so Xan was killed by scum.

Listo one time made a safe haven for all kittens in the world. The devil burnt it down but Listo managed to save all the kittens.

 

[CRichardFoL]

If you're so sure Kryll isn't town why not keep the vote on them. You can't say that I'm "avoiding Kryll" which I'm not and you unvote them before then.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Unvote:
Vote: Kryllian
PoE slot, and if there is incriminating mech on them then bringing them to LyLo isn't a good idea.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Ngl, I prefer being able to claim night actions in thread. I'm new to having to rely on host communication to figure out the night actions.

 

[VoidKitten]

Ngl, I prefer being able to claim night actions in thread. I'm new to having to rely on host communication to figure out the night actions.

It is a very new style your first couple of times. We all had to get adjusted to it.

My next game I run will be in normal style/hybrid style. Unsure yet. But claims will be a okay.

 

[rock meets hard place]

hammer is 9 and he was sitting @ 5 votes. He's in hammer range. There's still clock to use so I'm not interested in ending the day yet.

you hadn't commented on it, you were either legit avoiding the conversation or just hadn't gotten around to it. I don't think me unvoting and then calling you on is being a hypocrite.

 

[VoidKitten]

If you're so sure Kryll isn't town why not keep the vote on them. You can't say that I'm "avoiding Kryll" which I'm not and you unvote them before then.

I think he was saying that we were getting closer to hammer so he wanted to back off while we had day left.

Dislike that he said it so early though. 5 votes was barely over halfway to hammer. Felt like he wanted to score points a little.

 

[CRichardFoL]

hammer is 9 and he was sitting @ 5 votes. He's in hammer range. There's still clock to use so I'm not interested in ending the day yet.

you hadn't commented on it, you were either legit avoiding the conversation or just hadn't gotten around to it. I don't think me unvoting and then calling you on is being a hypocrite.

Then I hadn't got around to it. Got a problem with that?

 

[rock meets hard place]

you guys have some terrible logic

 

[CRichardFoL]

hammer is 9 and he was sitting @ 5 votes. He's in hammer range. There's still clock to use so I'm not interested in ending the day yet.

you hadn't commented on it, you were either legit avoiding the conversation or just hadn't gotten around to it. I don't think me unvoting and then calling you on is being a hypocrite.

You are still a hypocrite for saying I'm avoid Kryll when you unvoted them. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Listo95]

I think he was saying that we were getting closer to hammer so he wanted to back off while we had day left.

Dislike that he said it so early though. 5 votes was barely over halfway to hammer. Felt like he wanted to score points a little.

Listo can kind of agree. L-2 is where Listo likes mentioning that or jumping off.

Listo will play an entire orchestra alone for the underprivileged.

 

[CRichardFoL]

You are still a hypocrite for saying I'm avoiding Kryll when you unvoted them. You can't have it both ways.

EBWODP

 

[CRichardFoL]

you guys have some terrible logic

It doesn't change the fact you are a hypocrite. Deal with it.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I mean, night might actually be scum but Jesus, Voids accusation that I was trying to "score points" is just so horrible and overly paranoid.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I mean, night might actually be scum but Jesus, Voids accusation that I was trying to "score points" is just so horrible and overly paranoid.

My problem with you is that you are calling my action of "avoiding Kryll" scummy, when you unvoting them earlier is exactly what you're accusing me of.

 

[Matthieu]

Paranoia is inevitable in a role madness game, unfortunately.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Then I hadn't got around to it. Got a problem with that?

if that's true then not really.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Paranoia is inevitable in a role madness game, unfortunately.

You don't say.

 

[CRichardFoL]

if that's true then not really.

Good. At least we have agreement here.

 

[Kryllian]

I've been following on my phone at work today. I have a little time before game night begins tonight so I'll add what I can.

As far as Matt assumption i was the target of a town kill and got off with a BPV, my role card does not tell me I have a BPV so either it was gifted to me, without notice, or there's more at play than the action summaries are stating. The person I used my night action on is not the one listed in the summary. Neither my target, nor the one it says I targeted were noted in other actions from what I can tell. So someone is messing with something.

I suspect there are day actions in play that aren't being explicitly revealed by the mod. We know some people have day actions from the mod announcements but others may be triggered by posting a key word, or phrase. I've noted at least one post that might explain my supposed BPV but haven't had a chance to compare with the day 2 activity to see if that might have affected someone last night.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I will say Rock being hypocritical in my eyes doesn't mean they're scum, as it's lvl -1 to call someone scum for hypocrisy.

 

[rock meets hard place]

My problem with you is that you are calling my action of "avoiding Kryll" scummy, when you unvoting them earlier is exactly what you're accusing me of.

Paranoia is inevitable in a role madness game, unfortunately.

its par for the course in any game, but it still doesn't make void (and listo?) reason not trash

 

[rock meets hard place]

an unvote isn't avoiding talking about kryll, I had been. You hadn't and I said I didn't really like it. I don't even know what this is

 

[CRichardFoL]

Personally, I prefer the GC train as barring their vote on Future d1 they haven't been incredibly towny. As the gist I get regarding Future is that they're bussable.
If someone can correct me, you owe it on me to do so.

 

[CRichardFoL]

an unvote isn't avoiding talking about kryll, I had been. You hadn't and I said I didn't really like it. I don't even know what this is

It's almost as though I have a one track mind and just woke up earlier.

 

[CRichardFoL]

an unvote isn't avoiding talking about kryll, I had been. You hadn't and I said I didn't really like it. I don't even know what this is

It doesn't change the fact you were massively hypocritical saying I'm avoiding Kryll, when your unvote on them is.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Unvoting a player is avoiding them at the time. Sorry, I don't accept your logic Rock.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Just to be clear, what makes the supposed mech on Kryll not a green check? As far as I'm aware, it wasn't told as such by the host.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I am not sure you know what that word means.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I am not sure you know what that word means.

Deflection 101. Claim that I don't know what a word means to draw attention away from it regarding you.

 

[Dreyski]

Have to say I'm not happy with the Kryllian train, nor with Matthieu's reasoning. I guess we'll know more N3.

As for questions about me, less is more is my style. 6,000 posts over 22 years of Rajah should prove that. Plus I really am busy during the day, Even sites like FOS are a pain to play over the phone, and there's family time to fit in as well.
My position on the Robo vote is only because of the late switch, because in this game, a majority is better than not having one, unless you like having the hammer decreasing until scum can just roll yeets through.

 

[VoidKitten]

Just to be clear, what makes the supposed mech on Kryll not a green check? As far as I'm aware, it wasn't told as such by the host.

You cannot claim in this game, so people will pass along info by being vague.

"Vote So and so." "Hey guys, this is scum"

"You sure."

"I'm very sure"

That is typically how it goes to claim information which is what Matthieu did.

Alternatively, we can see that Kryllian looks to have been roleblocked (the devastating damage flavor). If that is true, then he cannot be any of the roles that acted that night, as his action wouldn't appear.

Matthieu is stating to ignore that and Kryllian needs to go.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I would be a hypocrite if I had not been talking about Kryll and then called you on it but placing an unvote is not that.

 

[VoidKitten]

I mean, night might actually be scum but Jesus, Voids accusation that I was trying to "score points" is just so horrible and overly paranoid.

It might be paranoia, but it stood out. Normally you see a "hey guys calm down on the train" or "they are at L-4" instead of an unvote.

 

[Dreyski]

The person I used my night action on is not the one listed in the summary. Neither my target, nor the one it says I targeted were noted in other actions from what I can tell. So someone is messing with something.

Well it's obvious Mazer is messing with something. But are you talking about n1 or n2?

 

[VoidKitten]

I've been following on my phone at work today. I have a little time before game night begins tonight so I'll add what I can.

As far as Matt assumption i was the target of a town kill and got off with a BPV, my role card does not tell me I have a BPV so either it was gifted to me, without notice, or there's more at play than the action summaries are stating. The person I used my night action on is not the one listed in the summary. Neither my target, nor the one it says I targeted were noted in other actions from what I can tell. So someone is messing with something.

I suspect there are day actions in play that aren't being explicitly revealed by the mod. We know some people have day actions from the mod announcements but others may be triggered by posting a key word, or phrase. I've noted at least one post that might explain my supposed BPV but haven't had a chance to compare with the day 2 activity to see if that might have affected someone last night.

I like this post. For multiple reasons.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I would be a hypocrite if I had not been talking about Kryll and then called you on it but placing an unvote is not that.

Too bad, you unvoting Kryll is avoiding accountability if they're a mislunch.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I've been following on my phone at work today. I have a little time before game night begins tonight so I'll add what I can.

As far as Matt assumption i was the target of a town kill and got off with a BPV, my role card does not tell me I have a BPV so either it was gifted to me, without notice, or there's more at play than the action summaries are stating. The person I used my night action on is not the one listed in the summary. Neither my target, nor the one it says I targeted were noted in other actions from what I can tell. So someone is messing with something.

I suspect there are day actions in play that aren't being explicitly revealed by the mod. We know some people have day actions from the mod announcements but others may be triggered by posting a key word, or phrase. I've noted at least one post that might explain my supposed BPV but haven't had a chance to compare with the day 2 activity to see if that might have affected someone last night.

It's trippy I can't find anything that I hate about this post. I need a sanity check on this if posts like these reveal their alignment or not.

 

[rock meets hard place]

you are acting like my vote is static and I said I'd revote later anyways

 

[Dreyski]

Very certain - and yes, I'll stake my life on it.

Why? Becuase you have a BPV?

I have it on very good authority your read is wrong.

 

[CRichardFoL]

you are acting like my vote is static and I said I'd revote later anyways

No, the problem I have with you is you have double standards saying my actions are a problem yet you did the same thing.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I'll be back later if thats where we end up going but we should use more of our deadline

most of me is just like "tis is a new player that's not reading and being defensive" the other part of me thinks that you are scum just making up a bunch of nonsense

 

[VoidKitten]

Why? Becuase you have a BPV?

I have it on very good authority your read is wrong.

And there we have it.

Unvote:

Vote: CRichard

Waiting to hear what Matthieu has to say before I jump down his throat.

 

[CRichardFoL]

most of me is just like "tis is a new player that's not reading and being defensive" the other part of me thinks that you are scum just making up a bunch of nonsense

Oh you're just deflecting from being a hypocrite. Carry on.

 

[Kryllian]

Well it's obvious Mazer is messing with something. But are you talking about n1 or n2?

The first time I used a night action was N2

 

[CRichardFoL]

Yes I'm new. Got a problem with that?

 

[Foxxi]

Ngl I don't hate that kryllian post either, but I also don't really think Matthieu is lying about what he thinks he knows? We were warned there would be shenanigans going on, although I feel like there needs to be *some* hint somewhere to lead in the correct direction.... but that may just be my own mod opinion

 

[CRichardFoL]

Rock is not acknowledging they are blatantly using double standards comparing my actions or lack of with theirs.

 

[Foxxi]

Unvote: Kryllian
For now - while I mentally chew on this

 

[Listo95]

The first time I used a night action was N2

This is starting to be to much info and could lead to a modkill btw.

 

[rock meets hard place]

yea, ok. Maybe you are scum but I legit think you have zero clue what you are talking about.

 

[VoidKitten]

This is starting to be to much info and could lead to a modkill btw.

Town.

 

[CRichardFoL]

yea, ok. Maybe you are scum but I legit think you have zero clue what you are talking about.

Dude your deflection attempts are tiring.

 

[Foxxi]

Town.

Agree.

 

[Foxxi]

I'm not sure which of rock and richard I like less atm

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'm not sure which of rock and richard I like less atm

You know what? I found a post I hate more than Rock's double standards. Congratulations.

 

[Foxxi]

Though if listo is town, and matt is town my poe is all screwed up

 

[CRichardFoL]

Seriously? You make a sitting on the fence post like this Night? Thanks for giving something I hate more than Rock's double standards.

 

[rock meets hard place]

child, please

 

[Kryllian]

This is starting to be to much info and could lead to a modkill btw.

For the record...I hate that rule....