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Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

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rock meets hard place said:
Why should I town read night?
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Night was originally confused by my contributions to the game, was willing to vote for me and then when I attempted to clarify has since seemingly put the missing pieces together using the write-up information of her own accord. I don't see her doing that as scum since the opportunity presented itself to push a yeet on me if so desired - quite easily, in fact.

As scum she very much likes to push a yeet on me if at all possible.
 
CRichardFoL said:
I'm asking if you're going to TMI me town to try to placate me, like you did with Rock.
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I didn't try to placate rock. I genuinely felt like his reaction *to that situation when he was in a heated debate with me* was a town perspective. You doing it some hour later over how I voted someone else is not the same at all.
 
Nightingale said:
I didn't try to placate rock. I genuinely felt like his reaction *to that situation when he was in a heated debate with me* was a town perspective. You doing it some hour later over how I voted someone else is not the same at all.
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You don't want to TMI me as town. Too late, you already did it with Rock.
 
CRichardFoL said:
Then she is wolf siding as a villager. Either way, I'll see to it they're eliminated with extreme prejudice.
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Listo does not like extreme prejudice being taken against anyone. This is a holy place and and we must all get along.

One time Listo ended a war because Listo made a temple on the battlefield and both sides began to join Listo in Listo’s prayer.
 
Listo95 said:
Listo does not like extreme prejudice being taken against anyone. This is a holy place and and we must all get along.

One time Listo ended a war because Listo made a temple on the battlefield and both sides began to join Listo in Listo’s prayer.
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I do not compromise with evil doers, and Nightingale is one of them.
 
If we're not going to go with Nightingale, then LDG, GC and Matthieu aren't bad choices where I'm at.
I don't have good reasons to think those 3 are town.
 
CRichardFoL said:
Did you not see Night playing politician with Rock and me? It's a common scum tactic to chain town executions back to back, and not be held accountable.
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Maybe I'm not political enough to see the politicking. I'm not sure what to make of your extreme prejudice- frustrated town or scum going down in a blaze of glory. I can't remember playing with you before so not sure if this is just business as usual for you.
 
Jarrod1983 said:
Maybe I'm not political enough to see the politicking. I'm not sure what to make of your extreme prejudice- frustrated town or scum going down in a blaze of glory. I can't remember playing with you before so not sure if this is just business as usual for you.
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Ok so in case it wasn't made clear, which is on me. Playing politician is saying two people are scummy, and not committing to either one. Night did exactly that which I quoted above.
 
Also Night is one of the most town read players, and I'm going for them. If you think I'm scum with massive balls, then that's your choice. Or Occam's Razor is I'm town doing their own thing.
 
Mazer said:
Active Players:
1. Psycho666Soldier
2. MTR
3. Listo
4. Clawsin
5. CRichardFoL
6. VoidKitten
7. Matthieu
8. llettuce
9 Kryllian
10. BlindNinja
11. Val the Moofia Boss
12. LemonDemonGirl
13. Jarrod1983
14. rock meets hard place
15. Nightingale
16. GrumpyCat
17. Dreyski
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Green = town lean/town read. Red = PoE.
I'm aware my PoE is larger than the hypothetical non-town numbers, which is because they haven't pinged me as towny and they're PoE by default.
 
Okay. Finally feeling better and trying to catch up. So quick thoughts at a glance of night write up. Looks like scum hid actions. Xan is gone but no flip. Cannable kill? Not sure.

Okay so that isn't much thoughts. Okay. Let me start reading and responding to things.
 
CRichardFoL said:
Green = town lean/town read. Red = PoE.
I'm aware my PoE is larger than the hypothetical non-town numbers, which is because they haven't pinged me as towny and they're PoE by default.
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And yes Nightingale is colored green for the hypothetical world she's town. Maybe I'm tunneled here, yet that post on Rock and I is horrendous by all measures.
 
CRichardFoL said:
And yes Nightingale is colored green for the hypothetical world she's town. Maybe I'm tunneled here, yet that post on Rock and I is horrendous by all measures.
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I don't think BN, Val or LDG are scum. I know you probably won't care what I have to say about it but eh. BN looked to be both roleblocked and had some other action (which I honestly can't identify) done to him N1 by scum. It's not impossible that's a ploy but I really doubt it. Val and LDG I've stated several times - they are often easy misyeets because of their playstyles, but I don't see either of them as scum here. LDG replied to a post future made D1 and unvoted (off of someone else, MTR I think?) in a way that just didn't feel partnered; and she didn't even re-vote to try to save him. And Val's vote on future isn't something I see him doing as scum. He doesn't like to bus, and he knows sleep would have been a perfectly acceptable vote if he'd wanted to avoid a partner.

If you remove those three - who would you replace them with?
 
Also - I don't see any world in which MTR/grumpy/future were ALL scum out of 4 names. I think if grumpy is town MTR might be scum, but I doubt they both are
 
If I'm going to entertain worlds where Nightingale is town, it's because 1. I can be wrong on them, as I'm human and 2. If it's town/town concerning Nightingale and I, then it's a fight the thread can do without.
 
If I am wrong about richard, my poe would look like this:

Void, psycho, lettuce, grumpy, claws, jarrod, listo. Maybe fringe matthieu is fooling me, but I am inclined to think he is just town here.
 
I also don't really think jarrod or listo are scum honestly, I just feel stronger about all the other players as town if richard is also town
 
CRichardFoL said:
Green = town lean/town read. Red = PoE.
I'm aware my PoE is larger than the hypothetical non-town numbers, which is because they haven't pinged me as towny and they're PoE by default.
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You have still yet to say why Im scummy. 5 scum acted on N1. 1 dead scum on D1. Assuming 6/7 scum, I would be clear of most. if not all scum roles. I was also acted upon by 2 scum on N1, 1 of which was considered by most, if not all, a RB.

In the same vein, you have Kryll as town lean... Doesnt seem to match to me.
 
Blind Ninja said:
You have still yet to say why Im scummy. 5 scum acted on N1. 1 dead scum on D1. Assuming 6/7 scum, I would be clear of most. if not all scum roles. I was also acted upon by 2 scum on N1, 1 of which was considered by most, if not all, a RB.

In the same vein, you have Kryll as town lean... Doesnt seem to match to me.
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Perhaps you can explain how you're clear as scum. I don't think you're scum, more that you're a blank in my worldview.
 
Void is
Nightingale said:
I don't think BN, Val or LDG are scum. I know you probably won't care what I have to say about it but eh. BN looked to be both roleblocked and had some other action (which I honestly can't identify) done to him N1 by scum. It's not impossible that's a ploy but I really doubt it. Val and LDG I've stated several times - they are often easy misyeets because of their playstyles, but I don't see either of them as scum here. LDG replied to a post future made D1 and unvoted (off of someone else, MTR I think?) in a way that just didn't feel partnered; and she didn't even re-vote to try to save him. And Val's vote on future isn't something I see him doing as scum. He doesn't like to bus, and he knows sleep would have been a perfectly acceptable vote if he'd wanted to avoid a partner.

If you remove those three - who would you replace them with?
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@CRichardFoL can you read and respond to this please?
 
Nightingale said:
I don't think BN, Val or LDG are scum. I know you probably won't care what I have to say about it but eh. BN looked to be both roleblocked and had some other action (which I honestly can't identify) done to him N1 by scum. It's not impossible that's a ploy but I really doubt it. Val and LDG I've stated several times - they are often easy misyeets because of their playstyles, but I don't see either of them as scum here. LDG replied to a post future made D1 and unvoted (off of someone else, MTR I think?) in a way that just didn't feel partnered; and she didn't even re-vote to try to save him. And Val's vote on future isn't something I see him doing as scum. He doesn't like to bus, and he knows sleep would have been a perfectly acceptable vote if he'd wanted to avoid a partner.

If you remove those three - who would you replace them with?
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I'm not particularly disposed to thinking you're town still. That being said, I'll get back to you once I'm not occupied with real life and have a clearer head.
 
Oops, I still have my start of a comment up there. Was going to say Void is pinging me the more I think about him. Especially if richard is town.
 
CRichardFoL said:
I'm not particularly disposed to thinking you're town still. That being said, I'll get back to you once I'm not occupied with real life and have a clearer head.
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You don't have to think I am town to engage with me - I'm still not fully convinced on you. I am explaining why BN is likely clear as scum as part of that and instead of reading and considering the explanation you are shutting down. If you are town here, this is not helpful.
 
okay, lots going on here. I hate that I am not active but this ended up not being a good week for me. Going to sleep on this. I have work tomorrow for first time all week and I can read over things again and vote and stuff at that point.
 
CRichardFoL said:
Perhaps you can explain how you're clear as scum. I don't think you're scum, more that you're a blank in my worldview.
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Did you read my post you quoted?

5 scum acted N1. 2 acted upon me, 1 being a roleblock. I cannot be any of the scum that acted on N1. We also have a dead scum from D1 lynch. IF we have 6 scum. I am cleared of scum. If we have 7 scum, im not completely cleared. I am very unlikely to be red in this situation.

How can you not see that?
 
Nightingale said:
I didn't demand anything? I asked who he would consider replacing those people with.
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Asking a question, then quoting it again and pinging him to answer the question, is basically demanding an answer.

Not that I am saying this is not anything you'd do, but I don't think I've ever seen you ask someone a PoE then tell them to remove 3 people and give a new PoE. Why even ask them their PoE if you are going to inject your own?
 
Blind Ninja said:
Did you read my post you quoted?

5 scum acted N1. 2 acted upon me, 1 being a roleblock. I cannot be any of the scum that acted on N1. We also have a dead scum from D1 lynch. IF we have 6 scum. I am cleared of scum. If we have 7 scum, im not completely cleared. I am very unlikely to be red in this situation.

How can you not see that?
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Easy, the post that supposedly clears you is lost in hundreds of posts.
 
I could be comfortable with a Grumpy vote but I don't want to push them closer right now.

Vote: Nightingale for now. Looking back at some history, they've been eager to jump on trains and push people up in votes.
 
CRichardFoL said:
I for one will be interested to see how well you're caught up with the game in my position. 1st time I've played on this site, which means I'm unaware of meta on most of you and vice versa.
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Well... It should be very noticable who I feel is scummy, seeing as my vote has ended on the same person each phase

Ive read the thread and have several opinions. Needless to say, I havent been a fan of you today. I can see what several have pointed out and agree with them to an extent. You are in my PoE, but not the highest on the list I want to see flipped.
 
Vote Count:

Void (3) - BN, val, LDG
Grump (5) - psych, claws, Dreyski. Nightingale, Matthieu
Matt (2) -grump, Jarrod
CRichard (1) - VK
Nightingale (2) - CRich. Kryllian

Hammer is 9
 
There's a significant chance that I'm wrong on Nightingale, and if we flip them as town that would hurt town.
Unvote:
Vote: Grumpycat
I'll compromise if we're keeping Night around.
 
This is what I have

GrumpyCat(5)Psycho666Soldier(#1202), Clawsin(#1225), Dreyski(#1304), Nightingale(#1377), Matthieu(#1379)
No Current Vote(3)Listo(#1024), llettuce(#1024), MTR(#1024)
VoidKitten(3)BlindNinja(#1047), Val the Moofia Boss(#1185), LemonDemonGirl(#1418)
Nightingale(3)rock meets hard place(#1312), CRichardFoL(#1388), Kryllian(#1464)
Matthieu(2)GrumpyCat(#1193), Jarrod1983(#1378)
CRichardFoL(1)VoidKitten(#1283)
 
I did apparently.

Vote Count:

Void (3) - BN, val, LDG
Grump (6) - psych, claws, Dreyski. Nightingale, Matthieu, CRich
Matt (2) -grump, Jarrod
CRichard (1) - VK
Nightingale (2) - Rock, Kryllian

Hammer is 9
 
Vote Count:

Void (3) - BN, val, LDG
Grump (5) - psych, claws, Dreyski. Nightingale, Matthieu
Matt (3) -grump, Jarrod, CRichard
CRichard (1) - VK
Nightingale (2) - Rock, Kryllian

Hammer is 9

Latest VC.
 
Jarrod1983 said:
Maybe I'm not political enough to see the politicking. I'm not sure what to make of your extreme prejudice- frustrated town or scum going down in a blaze of glory. I can't remember playing with you before so not sure if this is just business as usual for you.
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You probably haven't played with me, as your name doesn't come to mind in memory.
 
Sorry for thread absense, been sick and we've got a fundraiser coming up at work. But now I am not sick and am caught up. Caught up on like 3 pages of rock and crichard and sometimes foxxi fighting about nothing!

To answer blind: Honestly I am not vibing with the rock, cr fighting it feels like there is at least one scum there, if not they've done scum a fucking favor clogging up thread with arguing about nothing.

Lemme get on my laptop to do an order really quick, halfway through writing this realized phone too smol :(
 
llettuce said:
Sorry for thread absense, been sick and we've got a fundraiser coming up at work. But now I am not sick and am caught up. Caught up on like 3 pages of rock and crichard and sometimes foxxi fighting about nothing!

To answer blind: Honestly I am not vibing with the rock, cr fighting it feels like there is at least one scum there, if not they've done scum a fucking favor clogging up thread with arguing about nothing.

Lemme get on my laptop to do an order really quick, halfway through writing this realized phone too smol :(
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Would Foxxi be Nightingale by chance?
 
Not sure that grumpy is my first yeet, but I'm not compelled (in a town way) by any of their postings, and since I will be likely gone after this until after yeet given my schedule and this seems to be our lean I am going to go ahead and
Vote: Grumpy Cat

Town Lean
llettuce
Jarrod1983
Dreyski
Matthieu

Scum Lean
Clawsin
CRichardFoL
GrumpyCat
rock meets hard place

No Vibes
MTR
Listo
Kryllian
LemonDemonGirl

I always have such trouble reading Foxxi, Psycho, and Void so I'm gonna wait a little longer before placing them.
And I think I wanna do ISO's before deciding on BN and val
 
llettuce said:
Not sure that grumpy is my first yeet, but I'm not compelled (in a town way) by any of their postings, and since I will be likely gone after this until after yeet given my schedule and this seems to be our lean I am going to go ahead and
Vote: Grumpy Cat

Town Lean
llettuce
Jarrod1983
Dreyski
Matthieu

Scum Lean
Clawsin
CRichardFoL
GrumpyCat
rock meets hard place

No Vibes
MTR
Listo
Kryllian
LemonDemonGirl

I always have such trouble reading Foxxi, Psycho, and Void so I'm gonna wait a little longer before placing them.
And I think I wanna do ISO's before deciding on BN and val
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L-3 BTW.

Vote: Void

To have a vote on record in case day ends while Listo is asleep or early at work.

Once Listo went to a hospital and paid off all the bills of everyone currently there.
 
llettuce said:
Not sure that grumpy is my first yeet, but I'm not compelled (in a town way) by any of their postings, and since I will be likely gone after this until after yeet given my schedule and this seems to be our lean I am going to go ahead and
Vote: Grumpy Cat

Town Lean
llettuce
Jarrod1983
Dreyski
Matthieu

Scum Lean
Clawsin
CRichardFoL
GrumpyCat
rock meets hard place

No Vibes
MTR
Listo
Kryllian
LemonDemonGirl

I always have such trouble reading Foxxi, Psycho, and Void so I'm gonna wait a little longer before placing them.
And I think I wanna do ISO's before deciding on BN and val
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This is a partial to my question... Why do you scum or town read these people? Since you apparently have more then just vibes for some. And do these reads involve seeing what has gone on the last 2 nights, or is it strictly how theyve acted in thread?
 
GrumpyCat said:
I read the game, get ideas put them together and get a picture out of it.

No point to talk about what i feel atm.

Do you want to switch to Matthieu? His is sus dont you think? I agree.
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GrumpyCat said:
Vote me and Matthieu or Nightingale. This will persis as a distraction the are no dees ;<
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I don't like Grumpy pushing for these thunderdome scenarios while actively avoiding giving thoughts. Seems like trying to look towny without actually doing anything to help town.
 
These are thread based reads, some vague connections from writeups and thread behaviors, I wouldn't say anyone here is more than vibes though. If you're asking if I have any information or have done any groundbreaking spreadsheeting the answer is no.
 
@GrumpyCat Do you actually have a reason for suspecting Matthieu? It seems the "vote me and Matthieu or Nightingale" thing came out of nowhere with no build up. And then later you vote Matthieu seemingly in retaliation to the Kryll info? Why did you want Matthieu in the first place?
 
llettuce said:
These are thread based reads, some vague connections from writeups and thread behaviors, I wouldn't say anyone here is more than vibes though. If you're asking if I have any information or have done any groundbreaking spreadsheeting the answer is no.
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Not asking for info... asking why you placed people in the scum/town piles. At this point, with no reasoning, it just feels like its all vibes.
 
Finishing pg. 12 and I don't feel any better about Grumpy. If Kryllian is scum the defense isn't great. I also just don't get where his sus of Matthieu is coming from. Like I don't feel great about Matthieu's supposed info on Kryll unless he's exactly Iron Bill and have gotten iffy vibes from him as is, but Grumpy literally just started putting him in his POE randomly and refuses to explain. I also think the way he was talking about Val in 1188 and 1190 comes off a bit like flinging shade wherever he can get away with it.

Val popping up to vote Void and have no take on Kryllian and Matthieu is weird but probably not AI for him.

Still liking Jarrod.
 
Listo95 said:
L-3 BTW.

Vote: Void

To have a vote on record in case day ends while Listo is asleep or early at work.

Once Listo went to a hospital and paid off all the bills of everyone currently there.
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Does Listo have any actual sus on Void? Because if not, I don't see why you'd put a placeholder vote on what seems to be the second highest wagon.
 
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