Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

[VoidKitten]

Well it would be alot more often if you didnt jump into modding every other game i believe we have taken you up on it once i also n1d you in i think videoland

Now you're gonna go make me look.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I don't think being EU has anything to do with not being able to post game content

 

[CRichardFoL]

I liked Dreyski early on. There was one post in particular I cannot recall right now that made me go "this is probably town." But, if he hasn't been around since much it wouldn't be a good look. However, Dreyski is one of our EU posters so his timezone also conflicts occasionally. So it is not uncommon for him to post at off hours and catch back up later.

Can you point me to which post that made you think Drey is town?

 

[CRichardFoL]

I don't think being EU has anything to do with not being able to post game content

Euros get shafted by SoD/EoD times. It is known.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Robo feels like a lazy vote, especially with an inactivity killer

I'm not sure if this is towny or TMI. This post irks me.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Well yes, but my point is that one could still post some later

 

[VoidKitten]

Can you point me to which post that made you think Drey is town?

@CRichardFoL
@Kryllian
@rock meets hard place

Nice to meet you (I don't believe we've met). Why should I not vote to yeet you?

His introduction to the three people he didn't know felt pure. He was also the person that pointed out the hammer affecting majority early. It was that combination of his posts that made me skew him town. Looking at his ISO, I don't have major reservations currently. Nothing to say he is still super town, but nothing that concerns me that I want to pursue today.

 

[Jarrod1983]

I was pushing on Robo for quite some time before EoD2. If I was scum, I'd probably stay off wagon entirely for cred.

I've seen scum do back and forths for no reason other than to confuse town. You pushing Robo then ditching that train of thought at the last minute is another thing that feels scummy to me. It's like hey let's get him and you start the narrative that way but then slip out of sight while everyone is piling on.

 

[VoidKitten]

I'm not sure if this is towny or TMI. This post irks me.

I would say it is firmly NAI. BN is our resident "murder all the lurkers" player and would advocate for leaving non-posters for the inactivity vig on any alignment. But as Foxxi has said, that tends to lead to problems if the scum team can manipulate it.

 

[CRichardFoL]

His introduction to the three people he didn't know felt pure. He was also the person that pointed out the hammer affecting majority early. It was that combination of his posts that made me skew him town. Looking at his ISO, I don't have major reservations currently. Nothing to say he is still super town, but nothing that concerns me that I want to pursue today.

Understood. Have a nice day.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Void seems fine from what I've seen so far. Their train today feels lazy, and I can see potential scum latching on for back to back mislunches.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Yall are gonna show up to talk when I'm in meetings later aren't you

Timezones might make it easier said than done to real time with each other.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Im honestly not sure Im convinced by pushing Robo for being AFK. Id much rather see pushes on GC or VK

This makes me want to look at GC and VK, as they also died flipless N2 afterwards.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'll want to do due diligence on GC/VK, as it would be weird for scum to presumably kill and janitor them if GC/VK is town/town unless it was a frame on both of them.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Well now I know you're a wolf lmao

Pfft you wish

Gonna have to declaw you now

Me, but I dont think VK is a wolf and I think wolves are pushing v!Robo and then just be like "Well we were playing to the rules of hammer"

Xan's last posts before EoD2 and their subsequent death. Does Xan really die if they were wrong on everyone they sus?

 

[CRichardFoL]

Let me bring the fact that Xan was a 0 poster, and then D2 scum decided they were the biggest and had to die N2.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Let me bring up the fact that Xan was a 0 poster, and then D2 scum decided they were the biggest threat and had to die N2.

EBWODP

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'll figure stuff out when I'm rested. Right now, I should go to bed.

 

[VoidKitten]

Let me bring the fact that Xan was a 0 poster, and then D2 scum decided they were the biggest and had to die N2.

This is actually a good point. Why Xanjori at that moment? From a scum perspective, I can't decide if I'd have wanted him dead or not. He calls me sus, then says I'm probably not a wolf. I don't know if I'd keep that alive or kill it to freeze the read.

If the thought it is the people he sussed, then I might lean GC. On a rule level, I hate Claws reaction and Xan touched on that, but would Claws actually openly kill someone calling him out? Watching Claws play scum he tends to discuss risky plays but typically defaults to the safer plan that protects him. I don't know if scum Claws brings potential heat on himself.

I guess I can read GC to see.

 

[Matthieu]

What's everyone's thoughts on Dreyski and Kryllian?

 

[CRichardFoL]

What's everyone's thoughts on Dreyski and Kryllian?

Dreyski town lean. Kryllian null pending investigation.
I'm off to bed.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Xan's last posts before EoD2 and their subsequent death. Does Xan really die if they were wrong on everyone they sus?

Honestly GrumpyCat is absolutely howling right now

I liked that one. Sad that Xan is the one who is howling light now. In a tarpit.

Who did he sus? First 5 on Robo train.

 

[Foxxi]

For the millionth time - unless someone can prove that kryllian wasn't roleblocked N1 he has been cleared from nearly all, if not all scum roles on account of 5 acting.

Drey is probably town if Void is also town.

I'm beginning to regret not staying on grumpy, if he is actually scum that won't look good for me reconsidering his motives for how he behaved D1 - and could explain why scum would want Xan dead and left me alone

 

[Foxxi]

I'm not sure what to make of richard not realizing there was a penalty to not reaching maj.... no one expects anyone to play 24/7 for sure, nor interact with/comment on everything... but that particular lack of knowledge when it's been discussed as much as it has makes me feel like he's not even skim reading or paying attention to the things that are being debated/discussed... and that doesn't make me feel great. It'd be one thing to have missed a comment or two on it, but it's been brought up several times, by multiple people.

Hey @CRichardFoL -- why did you decide D1 to try and make MTR a counter train to future instead of joining psycho and myself on grumpy? If the goal was just to have a counter train wouldn't it make more sense to aid one that already had some traction?

 

[Claws]

Now you're gonna go make me look.

The 1 when i was t1000

 

[Claws]

Hey @CRichardFoL -- why did you decide D1 to try and make MTR a counter train to future instead of joining psycho and myself on grumpy? If the goal was just to have a counter train wouldn't it make more sense to aid one that already had some traction?

I thought this aswell as if you want a counter train you generally start hopping on an already built locomotion vs trying to start one yourself

 

[Claws]

I also didnt understand grumpy yesterday with the ill wait to vote til theres three it really just seemed like stalling to not commit to any1 until later in day

 

[GrumpyCat]

Val voted on random. org i wanted to1up the joke

 

[Foxxi]

Town:
*Blind Ninja - events N1 make it unlikely he is scum
*Kryllian - same as BN, unless we learn Iron Bull wasn't a role block kryllian has been cleared of five red and yellow
*Me - duh, though I don't expect anyone else to take my word for it.

Probably Town:
*Val - his vote on future isn't something I would expect from him if he were partnered.
*LDG - I don't think she would have reacted to future's comment D1 by unvoting and then not casting a new vote for... anyone, if she were partners.
*MTR - it is *possible* there was more than one scum in that focus group of four, but I really doubt there would be three, and between him and grumpy I feel MTR is more likely to be clean. If Grumpy is town I'd move MTR down possibly. I don't recall anything from him personally that makes me feel one way or another about him

Maybe Town:
*Jarrod - I am kinda bothered by the deviation from voting sleep D1, but I liked that he admitted it when I asked who would usually vote there and didn't try to pin sus on anyone else for it. And he could have voted sleep without anyone giving him a second thought - even if Matt is also scum, s!jarrod could have voted there and been 100% in character to do so.

Null:
*Claws - I haven't seen anything from him that makes me think he's town or scum definitively.
*Void - nothing has happened to make me convinced he is town yet. He *sounds* towny and fine... but I am well aware that he has learned how to bs that well enough at this point that I won't rely solely on his words and vibe. I'd be inclined to dump him into sus but I really can't give an argument as to why other than "gut".
*Psycho - like Void, he is plenty capable of sounding good and nothing as yet has happened that convinces me he is town. He could be a partner to future who just *couldn't* try to save him because psycho voting sleep would be sus as fuck.
*Drey - I don't really have a feel on him either way. I do think if Void is town he's more likely to also be town since I feel scum would have probably taken advantage of the chance to elim a town Void.
*Lettuce - I can't remember anything to pin her anywhere

Sus:
*Matt - the fact he and future were both on sleep and no one else voted there pings the fuck out of me. Two scum sitting on a train back to back isn't unheard of, but I can absolutely see how other scum would want to wait and hope some more town joined to give it more traction/make it more likely to over take the future train, before they would be comfortable committing to that. Although I can also see a t!matt in that spot where scum would *still* want to see the sleep train gain more town to be confident it would have a shot to save future, so eh. I could see Matt in null potentially.
*Grumpy - I regret reconsidering him. The fact he sat all day at 3 and the minute I swapped to Void *that* gained some traction irks the fuck out of me. I can see a world where his defense makes sense - wanting to ensure maj is reached and willing to vote whoever to do that... but it's also a very convenient excuse to be willing to swap.
*Richard - bringing up the theory of scum on first train while having at least one partner there would be a ballsy thing to do as scum, but he also didn't exactly try to push to test it himself, and tried to start a counter wagon to future near the end. What gives me pause is that grumpy already had votes so I'm not sure why s!richard wouldn't just join on grumpy unless grumpy is also scum -- and if grumpy is scum then it was *really* ballsy to bring up that theory with two partners on the train. Again though, he didn't really advocate to test it sooooo. It may have been a calculated risk to point back at later game and make himself look better for potentially having drawn sus down on multiple partners.
*listo - he hasn't even tried to analyze anything, and I kinda feel like he is coasting off of people's assumption that he is his namesake, and I don't like it. Also not thrilled with his jumping onto Void after I voted there yesterday (if Void is town).
*Rock - in past games I've felt like I jived with him pretty solid. I don't get that feeling here at all, and it feels like he keeps trying to nitpick things and create tension. I don't get the sense he is genuinely trying to ask questions to solve, but that his inquiries are intended to cast doubt and shade people.

 

[Foxxi]

Vote: Grumpy

 

[Foxxi]

@Mazer could you update the threadmarks with SoD3 please?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Would you rather go Matthieu or thunderdome me?

 

[VoidKitten]

*listo - he hasn't even tried to analyze anything, and I kinda feel like he is coasting off of people's assumption that he is his namesake, and I don't like it. Also not thrilled with his jumping onto Void after I voted there yesterday (if Void is town).

He usually suffers from a later game if he is scum. I don't think he is someone to poke today, especially with it being his tribute game. He hasn't given me any bad feelings. I can't really fault people for voting on me when I wasn't around. Or do you mean more along the lines of you voted and he felt it safe now that you did?

*Rock - in past games I've felt like I jived with him pretty solid. I don't get that feeling here at all, and it feels like he keeps trying to nitpick things and create tension. I don't get the sense he is genuinely trying to ask questions to solve, but that his inquiries are intended to cast doubt and shade people.

I'm not challenging this, but do you have any specific example that makes you feel worse? I haven't seen him playing much differently than normal.

 

[VoidKitten]

Why are we talking about a thunderdome at this time :D

 

[GrumpyCat]

Do you think nightingale is town here and i am scum?

 

[VoidKitten]

Do you think nightingale is town here and i am scum?

If one of the two of you is scum, I'd choose you. I'm not sold you are scum or not.

 

[GrumpyCat]

It is weird that everyone on her sus list except matthieu is my town lean.

 

[Foxxi]

He usually suffers from a later game if he is scum. I don't think he is someone to poke today, especially with it being his tribute game. He hasn't given me any bad feelings. I can't really fault people for voting on me when I wasn't around. Or do you mean more along the lines of you voted and he felt it safe now that you did?

I'm not challenging this, but do you have any specific example that makes you feel worse? I haven't seen him playing much differently than normal.

Yes, it felt like once I voted for you he felt comfortable jumping on that wagon. And I don't expect he'll end up the focus today, I'm just getting my thoughts out because I don't usually live much longer than D3 anyway.

As for Rock, there have been several instances where I was pinged by him, but a specific example I can call to mind without digging through his ISO was how he reacted to Xan's catch up yesterday, which I did mention then too. Getting fussy over which day Xan was saying he was sus of someone in a catch up post felt extremely pointless and like he was trying too hard to find something about Xan to pick at. It was like he was trying to catch Xan being inconsistent in his reads from one day to the next -- except since he wasn't around D1 and it was all being offered at once that just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Foxxi]

It is weird that everyone on her sus list except matthieu is my town lean.

Talk to me about why you feel rock, listo and richard are town then?

 

[Foxxi]

And what would your POE look like grumpy?

 

[VoidKitten]

As for Rock, there have been several instances where I was pinged by him, but a specific example I can call to mind without digging through his ISO was how he reacted to Xan's catch up yesterday, which I did mention then too. Getting fussy over which day Xan was saying he was sus of someone in a catch up post felt extremely pointless and like he was trying too hard to find something about Xan to pick at. It was like he was trying to catch Xan being inconsistent in his reads from one day to the next -- except since he wasn't around D1 and it was all being offered at once that just doesn't make sense to me.

Okay, that is fair. It is a focus on the wrong things. I can see that.

As for CRichard, other than the defense of not seeing the post, did you get a towny or scummy feel from it. I am leaning scummy because of the way he quickly changed the subject on it and didn't engage with Jarrod on the topic, but I can also legit see someone who is tired, going to bed, and just throwing out posts to try and defend themselves.

 

[VoidKitten]

I also have Jarrod as decently town unless his break allowed him to swap up his meta. He did talk about it himself, which makes me take a bit away from it, but I feel his posts come from a solving perspective.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I read the game, get ideas put them together and get a picture out of it.

No point to talk about what i feel atm.

Do you want to switch to Matthieu? His is sus dont you think? I agree.

 

[GrumpyCat]

it was to Nightingale. Shame how slowly I write.

 

[VoidKitten]

I really don't know what to make of GC right now.

 

[Foxxi]

Okay, that is fair. It is a focus on the wrong things. I can see that.

As for CRichard, other than the defense of not seeing the post, did you get a towny or scummy feel from it. I am leaning scummy because of the way he quickly changed the subject on it and didn't engage with Jarrod on the topic, but I can also legit see someone who is tired, going to bed, and just throwing out posts to try and defend themselves.

I'm not sure which posts you're referring to of richards here? I thought it was you he was talking to about the maj thing, not jarrod

 

[GrumpyCat]

Vote me and Matthieu or Nightingale. This will persis as a distraction the are no dees ;<

 

[VoidKitten]

I'm not sure which posts you're referring to of richards here? I thought it was you he was talking to about the maj thing, not jarrod

Jarrod said he tended to agree with me about CRichard and brought up another reason why CRichard could be sus. But CRichard focused on talking with me and completely brushing it off at first and then going into a conciliatory tone with me. Nothing with Jarrod. Which I am trying to determine what PoV is more likely.

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote me and Matthieu or Nightingale. This will persis as a distraction the are no dees ;<

I still prefer CRichard.

 

[VoidKitten]

I don't know what GCs game is. I don't know how this is a distraction currently.

 

[Foxxi]

Ngl I'm kinda getting the feeling grumpy is just scum and is trying to distance between him and Matt maybe. If we yeet matt and he flips scum grumpy gets the whole "I pushed it" defense. If we yeet grumpy and he flips scum it makes it look like matt was town he tried to push.

Grumpy - I am asking you in good faith, if I am wrong and you're actually town here - why won't you talk to me about why you think the people I am sus of are town?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Distract you from what?

 

[Foxxi]

And lemmie go re-read that jarrod/richard interaction real quick

 

[VoidKitten]

Distract you from what?

You were the one who called it a distraction? I'm so confused.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Yeah I wasn't a fan of Richard's original reaction, seemed overly defensive, and then ignoring another point earlier.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Grumpy - I am asking you in good faith, if I am wrong and you're actually town here - why won't you talk to me about why you think the people I am sus of are town?

Town Lean

Listo
Richard
Void
Val
Rock

Scum Leam

Matthieu
Nightingale
Psycho

Out of two worlds:

Claws/VK/Nightingale/Psycho+1

Matthieu/LDG/MTR/Richard/Grumpy

Whitch one do you think is more likely?

 

[Foxxi]

I don't think richard completely ignored jarrod - he did answer his first comment - I can see his reaction either being an attempt to divert attention somewhere else, or just genuinely looking at/bringing up something that he felt was worth attention (why Xan was killed)

I'm not sure that particular sequence in a vacuum is scummy, but I still think richard as a whole is for his actions.

 

[Matthieu]

Why is it being portrayed that Kryllian was role blocked? It reads as a bullet proof vest popping to me.

I'm not working solely off of the writeup.

 

[Matthieu]

Vote: Kryllian

 

[Foxxi]

Town Lean

Listo
Richard
Void
Val
Rock

Scum Leam

Matthieu
Nightingale
Psycho

Out of two worlds:

Claws/VK/Nightingale/Psycho+1

Matthieu/LDG/MTR/Richard/Grumpy

Whitch one do you think is more likely?

This is..... something. But you still aren't telling me *why* you think those people are town. I'm willing to discuss why I may be wrong about people, but the only way that works is if there are reasons given... not just "I think you're wrong" -- so what is it about them that makes you think they have more town equity than the arguments that say they have scum equity?

 

[VoidKitten]

Why would I want to vote on the person who is potentially mechanically cleared over others?

 

[Foxxi]

....... matthieu. Why. -.-

 

[GrumpyCat]

Carefull Vk wont let you

 

[VoidKitten]

....... matthieu. Why. -.-

Like, I get wondering if it is a roleblock. That's fair. But choosing to vote on it?

 

[Matthieu]

I have my reasons, follow them or don't.

 

[Foxxi]

I hate this game sometimes

 

[Foxxi]

You do realize Matthieu that there is probably more than one character that could have a vest?

 

[GrumpyCat]

This is..... something. But you still aren't telling me *why* you think those people are town. I'm willing to discuss why

I know you are but I am not intersaed in doing it now.

 

[Foxxi]

I know you are but I am not intersaed in doing it now.

And this is supposed to make me feel better about you??? Like wtf? I am trying to solve and you are *actively* opposing me. Why???

 

[Matthieu]

You do realize Matthieu that there is probably more than one character that could have a vest?

I contemplated it but we've lost two JOAT's and a doctor fairly early on. All of which have been revealed to be town aligned.

I'm assuming they're intended to function as town's protection. So, yes, I'm sus of anyone who seems to be protected as they could either be scum or at least third party.

 

[GrumpyCat]

And this is supposed to make me feel better about you???

I dont care. Find scum.

 

[Matthieu]

There's the possibility that Grumpy could just be a jester trying to get yeeted.

 

[Foxxi]

I dont care. Find scum.

your "two worlds" don't even make sense! You insist you think Matthieu is scum, but he's not even in the list I presume you are trying to say is your poe; you've got him listed in a group with *you* are you a freaking jester or something??

 

[GrumpyCat]

There's the possibility that Grumpy could just be a jester trying to get yeeted.

 

[Foxxi]

Also possible he knows he's sus to a bunch of people and is trying to make us think jester as a defense I suppose

 

[Foxxi]

Aaaaaaaanyway.... Matthieu how sure are you about kryllian? Enough to stake your own life if you are wrong?

 

[GrumpyCat]

I dont believe Matthieu would shoot Kryllian n1 so i dont see how he could be realted to the info, wtf;p

 

[GrumpyCat]

I mean i see his way of thinking that kryll was shot and vested. But vest itself is NAI.

 

[VoidKitten]

Aaaaaaaanyway.... Matthieu how sure are you about kryllian? Enough to stake your own life if you are wrong?

This is one of the first things you've said that makes me look at you a little sideways.

 

[VoidKitten]

There's the possibility that Grumpy could just be a jester trying to get yeeted.

The thought crossed my mind. It is too WIFOMY to really consider.

 

[VoidKitten]

I contemplated it but we've lost two JOAT's and a doctor fairly early on. All of which have been revealed to be town aligned.

I'm assuming they're intended to function as town's protection. So, yes, I'm sus of anyone who seems to be protected as they could either be scum or at least third party.

In most games, the top town and scum role usually have a BPV. But I really don't read that as a BPV unless I am missing something. What part makes you think BPV?

 

[Foxxi]

This is one of the first things you've said that makes me look at you a little sideways.

It seems to me if we assume kryllian was shot and survived because of a vest, there are two characters he would likely be. I'm trying to figure out matthieu's motives for pushing there.

 

[VoidKitten]

It seems to me if we assume kryllian was shot and survived because of a vest, there are two characters he would likely be. I'm trying to figure out matthieu's motives for pushing there.

Asking someone to stake their life on it feels like a setup. Oh we yeet Kryllian and he flips town now we must go to Matthieu because he agreed. I'm not saying that it would actually happen, but the line was icky.

 

[Foxxi]

Though at this point it really doesn't matter. Now that this has even been brought up and discussed without just getting a response from Matthieu it's nullified, eh.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Kinda interested to see where this goes.

Vote: Voidkitten

 

[GrumpyCat]

BBut Mathieu is voting kryllian

 

[Foxxi]

Unvote: Grumpy
Vote: Kryllian

 

[GrumpyCat]

How much doubt Val is town? like in %?

 

[Claws]

Im kinda curious is grumpy just doin a any1 but me bit cuz i love purging those ppl looks at grae

 

[GrumpyCat]

I mean Val is going to get himselt yeeted beacuse toher town could have better role than him. Val wouldnt bus there.

Or Val evolved.

 

[Matthieu]

Aaaaaaaanyway.... Matthieu how sure are you about kryllian? Enough to stake your own life if you are wrong?

Very certain - and yes, I'll stake my life on it.

 

[Matthieu]

In most games, the top town and scum role usually have a BPV. But I really don't read that as a BPV unless I am missing something. What part makes you think BPV?

I can't get into specifics, unfortunately.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Vote: Matthieu

Kryllian fans pile on.

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote: Kryllian

If there is info, there is info.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Love the info.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Thanks from comming Kryilian, this setup is weird. it is how it is.

 

[Jarrod1983]

Vote: Kryilian

If he does come up scum I'd like to remind people Void flat out said he wouldn't vote him because he hasn't played in a bit. Night kept saying how he was clear.

 

[VoidKitten]

Vote: Kryilian

If he does come up scum I'd like to remind people Void flat out said he wouldn't vote him because he hasn't played in a bit. Night kept saying how he was clear.

It is Day 3 sir. Day 3 all rules are off.

 

[Jarrod1983]

It is Day 3 sir. Day 3 all rules are off.

For sure but its just something to remember.

 

[VoidKitten]

I think this is correct.

Vote Count:

4 - Kryllian (Matthieu, Nightingale, VK, Jarrod)
2 - Void (BN, Val)
1 - Dreyski (Rock)
1 - Matthieu (Grumpy)

Hammer is 9.