Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

[Blind Ninja]

Robo feels like a lazy vote, especially with an inactivity killer

 

[GrumpyCat]

That shot kryllian with BPV? Should we follow the bull?

 

[Foxxi]

Thats a fewer time than i thonght.

Please vote Robo Nightingale Me whoever just dont get 2 stacks from not hammering.

Are you actually sus of me for something, or just tossing me in there because I've expressed sus of you? I'm assuming you're not trying to plead with me to vote robo or you since I'm already voting for you anyway.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Ok I'm going to guess that BN isn't Scum or anything because I'm still alive lol

You being alive has no bearing on whether im scum or not...

Look at the big picture, 5 scum acted. 2 scum acted upon me. 1 was likely a RB. That clears me from being most scum members.

You are also not my 1st kill target. I still owe Psycho

 

[GrumpyCat]

I am 50/50 between if you are scum here or you got some vapours doing you works because your read on me is slightly retarded if not ridiculous.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Like how could this be town Foxxi.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Like how LDG talked about lynching an inactive D1, but didnt vote one. And now still isnt voting an inactive

 

[Foxxi]

I legit don't understand why anyone is thinking that was a BPV? I can understand the bull action sounding like an attack - but there's no indication that kryllian avoided death. I mean, I guess it could be Mazer trying to make things more vague so the game doesn't just go "oh, they have a vest and didn't die so they must be important/sus" -- but even IF that is the case, it doesn't mean he was scum with a vest since there is usually town that also does. Although, if that was an attack, kryllian refusing to say what happened could be kinda sus since I'm probably not the only person reading it as a roleblock, and if he wasn't actually blocked he can't say he was without making IronBull very very sus of him - and people thinking he was blocked may keep him in the clear for some folks. Still, that is a lot of supposition and making assumptions. Unless something proves that wasn't a roleblock I'm not worried about Kryllian.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Slowly catching up and I guess maybe Xan could have been trying to dump a bunch of thoughts to seem towny, but honestly I felt like the net of his reads were too wide for a first appearance scum rand.

Maybe you explain it later but what's your read on me @Xanjori? You had me kind of low in your list but didn't give any reasoning.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I legit don't understand why anyone is thinking that was a BPV? I can understand the bull action sounding like an attack - but there's no indication that kryllian avoided death. I mean, I guess it could be Mazer trying to make things more vague so the game doesn't just go "oh, they have a vest and didn't die so they must be important/sus" -- but even IF that is the case, it doesn't mean he was scum with a vest since there is usually town that also does. Although, if that was an attack, kryllian refusing to say what happened could be kinda sus since I'm probably not the only person reading it as a roleblock, and if he wasn't actually blocked he can't say he was without making IronBull very very sus of him - and people thinking he was blocked may keep him in the clear for some folks. Still, that is a lot of supposition and making assumptions. Unless something proves that wasn't a roleblock I'm not worried about Kryllian.

I can get this... but with nobody coming out and saying they have dets or anything. Hard to follow the thoughts on a Kryllian vote. My 1st take wasnt a kill attempt. We will get more information if Iron Bull does something similar and someone drops dead. Im filing it in the needs more info and watch what happens in days to come.

 

[GrumpyCat]

BN you think out of VK Nightingale Psycho. Vk is most likely to be scum. I see you vote on him.

 

[Foxxi]

I am 50/50 between if you are scum here or you got some vapours doing you works because your read on me is slightly retarded if not ridiculous.

How so? I was suspicious of you yesterday when you voted CWE and said you would vote MTR if that train hadn't fallen apart, but neglected to even mention future. It was why I picked you to vote when I suggested we train all four names. Then you expressed willingness to vote MTR still if he reached 7 votes, but never really gave any indication there was a reason you would prefer MTR. And then future flipped as scum. How is me finding that suspicious ridiculous? Your reaction to that thought process was that "we found the scum everyone else is clear" -- which is just not proof of anything and to me felt like an attempt to brush off suspicion just based on statistics. I'm not infallible, but my sus is grounded in logic and looking at actions and reactions - so how is that ridiculous?

 

[Foxxi]

At least I think it was MTR, I'd have to go look. There was someone you said you'd vote if they got to 7

 

[Foxxi]

Yep, MTR

 

[GrumpyCat]

Then you expressed willingness to vote MTR still if he reached 7 votes, but never really gave any indication there was a reason you would prefer MTR

I didnt prefer anyone. I voted to get a hammer. If MTR became top train I would switch to top train.

Do you have any idea how important it is to not let no hammer stack?

if i am top train today i will self vote.

 

[Foxxi]

Notably it was Richard who did try to start a counter train to future of MTR -- @PsychoSoldier - you've played with him before. How likely is s!richard to bring up that rule/theory whatever of scum in the first train when there is a partner(s?)? Is he the sort to take that risk that people might test it out but that odds are in favor of it being a non-scum yeet?

Along that train of thought, if richard is scum that pulled that ploy, it probably looks good for grumpy actually. I could see scum maybe doing that if they had one partner in the four, but two would be less likely I think?

 

[Xanjori]

Slowly catching up and I guess maybe Xan could have been trying to dump a bunch of thoughts to seem towny, but honestly I felt like the net of his reads were too wide for a first appearance scum rand.

Maybe you explain it later but what's your read on me @Xanjori? You had me kind of low in your list but didn't give any reasoning.

I had you middle-ish for some mind melding but Id been thinking about your vote and Im trying to think of the best reasoning behind it. Maybe you wanna explain yourself why you went for the very late vote?

 

[Foxxi]

I didnt prefer anyone. I voted to get a hammer. If MTR became top train I would switch to top train.

Do you have any idea how important it is to not let no hammer stack?

if i am top train today i will self vote.

Yes, it was why I swapped to future myself, though it didn't end up mattering since so many are awol. And I can see that logic. I was hung up looking at it as a willingness to abandon the future wagon tied into not even mentioning him in your initial vote, but I kinda like this response - and looking back and seeing it was richard who did try to propose MTR as a counter when iirc he didn't even try to follow through with his own mentioned theory of scum in 4 till then makes me feel I may be barking up the wrong tree. At the very least I think it's safe to assume both you and he can't be red together.

 

[Matthieu]

I can get this... but with nobody coming out and saying they have dets or anything. Hard to follow the thoughts on a Kryllian vote. My 1st take wasnt a kill attempt. We will get more information if Iron Bull does something similar and someone drops dead. Im filing it in the needs more info and watch what happens in days to come.

Nobody can claim, so how can they provide details?

 

[Blind Ninja]

BN you think out of VK Nightingale Psycho. Vk is most likely to be scum. I see you vote on him.

Didnt like VK d1... and theyve done little to change my mood today.

Foxxi died by my hands in a recent game, so willing to give a 2-3 phase pass, but still havent seen scum foxxi

Psycho feels better then VK imo

 

[Blind Ninja]

Nobody can claim, so how can they provide details?

I get it... Nobody can outright claim, but there are ways to push forth info without saying "Im x/y/z." You know we've had cant claim and still gotten good lycnhes off.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Are you intentionally being dense right now Matt?

 

[Xanjori]

Didnt like VK d1... and theyve done little to change my mood today.

Foxxi died by my hands in a recent game, so willing to give a 2-3 phase pass, but still havent seen scum foxxi

Psycho feels better then VK imo

What was it you didnt like about VK?

 

[Blind Ninja]

What was it you didnt like about VK?

might have been more feel of the flow on d1... but today when analyzing the FH train, talked about everyone on it without mentioning himself

But when people asking of VK, Night, Psycho... I dislike VK most.

Obviously willing to move my vote, but not to robo. that feels lazy with an inactivity killer around.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Ok then vote me. Or do you want LDG CFD. I am affraid there is not enough time.

 

[Foxxi]

I like BN and Xan. Kryllian looks clear of at least 5 scum and 3p if that was a roleblock. I feel Val and LDG are unlikely to be red. Val could easily have voted sleep, grumpy - anyone really - instead of future and I don't think anyone would have batted an eye at it, and Val is not the sort to bus unnecessarily. LDG's response to future doesn't feel partnered at all. I'm actually feeling better about grumpy when I think about richard, but if richard is town may reconsider that.

I don't particularly like VK, Matt, Rock, and now richard. I keep going back and forth on psycho. I haven't disliked any of his posts - but I am pinged by the vote state D1. He was with me on grumpy until the very EoD and if all three of us are town, why didn't scum try to take advantage of that? But at the same rate; they didn't flock to sleep either... so I dunno.

Everyone else is null atm - and I am sure there are probably scum in here and some of the people I am sus of are not actually scum.

 

[Foxxi]

Unvote: Grumpy
Vote: Void

 

[Foxxi]

Then again, if richard was trying to save future with a counter train - why didn't he just join on grumpy with me and psych? It already had some traction...

 

[GrumpyCat]

Maybe i are same team. So many mysteries.

 

[Xanjori]

Foxxi last time I saw VK wolf against you you caught him D1, has his wolf game improved that much since then?

 

[Listo95]

Listo believes the kitten deserves salvation the most.

Vote: VoidKitten

There was a time when Listo found a portal to a world overrun with void creatures. Listo single-handedly went to that world and freed it from the clutches of the void.

 

[GrumpyCat]

He is alawys a VoildWolf for me but this time he was the one that got it. Am I being pocketed?

 

[Foxxi]

Foxxi last time I saw VK wolf against you you caught him D1, has his wolf game improved that much since then?

He has actually, yes. Last time he wolfed he had me pocketed right up till the point he recruited me. My feelings for him should not be taken as gospel in any direction.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Anyone have a tally?

 

[MTR]

Sorry guys. Been fighting an ear infection and sinus infection and other stuff. So been home sleeping a lot. *insert being killed in my sleep jokes*

So going to try to get some posts in and a vote before the end. Not sure how much sense I can make of things because my brain is not braining very well.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Robo and VK at 5 others at 2 maybe. Hammer is 9 I think.

 

[Foxxi]

And we have a little over an hour I believe

 

[Listo95]

And we have a little over an hour I believe

Listo believes it is 1hr 23mins.

There once was a sun that was about to go supernova. Listo in all Listo's holy power managed to convince the star not to go supernova.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Personally I'd rather see Grumpy as a counter to Void

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Notably it was Richard who did try to start a counter train to future of MTR -- @PsychoSoldier - you've played with him before. How likely is s!richard to bring up that rule/theory whatever of scum in the first train when there is a partner(s?)? Is he the sort to take that risk that people might test it out but that odds are in favor of it being a non-scum yeet?

Along that train of thought, if richard is scum that pulled that ploy, it probably looks good for grumpy actually. I could see scum maybe doing that if they had one partner in the four, but two would be less likely I think?

I don't really know Cr"s game. I think we've played in like a mash or two and I've seen him in the MU discord server a lot but I don't really know his meta.

As is I think it's less likely that scum who's been as vocal as CRichard would even introduce the theory here knowing Future was in that list.

 

[Foxxi]

Personally I'd rather see Grumpy as a counter to Void

What do you think the likelihood of s!richard bringing up the scum in 4 thing with a partner in those 4? Is that in his range or no?

 

[Foxxi]

Nvm you got to the answer as I asked again XD

 

[GrumpyCat]

Personaly i would like you to at least try to hammer someone before timer goes out this time.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I had you middle-ish for some mind melding but Id been thinking about your vote and Im trying to think of the best reasoning behind it. Maybe you wanna explain yourself why you went for the very late vote?

It was just to try and avoid the hammer penalty. It was late but better than nothing. Grumpy was the only one other than Future I had any desire to chop and I wasn't voting sleep.

 

[rock meets hard place]

1. Psycho666Soldier
2. Badger
3. MTR
4. Listo
5. Clawsin
6. CRichardFoL
7. CWE
8. VoidKitten
9. Matthieu
10. llettuce
11. FutureHold
12. Kryllian
13. BlindNinja
14. Val the Moofia Boss
15. LemonDemonGirl
16. Jarrod1983
17. Robozerim
18. rock meets hard place
19. Nightingale
20. GrumpyCat
99. Xanjori
22. Dreyski
23. Tildey

Pretty sure this is character name not player and has no reflection of psycho the player

its possible but the name is also in the playerlist. What do you think of kry voting him for that reason?

 

[MTR]

Well first off that was a bloody night phase.

Sucks to lose the doc so quick poor Badger gets killed as a birthday present I guess.

Going to have to go back to look at the actions more as I am more coherent. Just a quick observation.

Again sorry for not adding much this day phase.

 

[MTR]

So looks like i need to focus on void or robo for this phase

 

[Blind Ninja]

So looks like i need to focus on void or robo for this phase

Robo is easy... hasnt done a damn thing. 3 posts, all on thursday. Nothing d2

 

[rock meets hard place]

claws is making the claim that its his scum meta to be a lurk sack and I don't trust the sk that's masquerading as inactivity vig to shoot them given that they killed Tidley over people like LDG, robo, and kry. But we can always vote void and hope that they do.

 

[Listo95]

Listo's biggest concern is the inactivity killer won't help town by removing Robo.

One time Listo paid for everybody who shopped at a certain store.

 

[Foxxi]

There's also the probability that even if they try to, the kill could be redirected. It looks like scum did a redirect on xan/listo N1 and if everyone assumes robo is the inactivity kill it makes it real easy to manipulate/control that kill

 

[MTR]

Listo's biggest concern is the inactivity killer won't help town by removing Robo.

One time Listo paid for everybody who shopped at a certain store.

See I was thinking along these lines in my foggy brain. Tildey was a good target. Take advantage she got busy or something and take her out and not her get in here and start making reads and spreadsheeting.

 

[MTR]

There's also the probability that even if they try to, the kill could be redirected. It looks like scum did a redirect on xan/listo N1 and if everyone assumes robo is the inactivity kill it makes it real easy to manipulate/control that kill

Very good point as well if we go with void over Robo. Scum could try to redirect the kill.

 

[Xanjori]

Im honestly not sure Im convinced by pushing Robo for being AFK. Id much rather see pushes on GC or VK

 

[rock meets hard place]

just a reminder that the kill on Tidley was not from town.

 

[MTR]

Im honestly not sure Im convinced by pushing Robo for being AFK. Id much rather see pushes on GC or VK

We are running low on time though.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Im honestly not sure Im convinced by pushing Robo for being AFK. Id much rather see pushes on GC or VK

Ok vote VK and I will do too.

 

[MTR]

I am low on focus power and not sure how much more reading I can do. I will need to try to catch up during the night phase after some more rest I think. Since I am can't focus enough to get a read on void and what not I am going the easy rout with Robo.

Vote: Robo

 

[PsychoSoldier]

but also there are more than 3 scum and thats even assuming that those reads are correct so I'd like to see you expand your scum reads.

Do you think Xan is just fluffing these reads? They felt fairly thorough without seeming like just going through a checklist of olayersy

 

[PsychoSoldier]

EBWOP *players

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Unvote: Psycho

Vote: Voidkitten

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Honestly the way LDG just went barreling into Xan feels kinda towny to me

 

[Xanjori]

Honestly the way LDG just went barreling into Xan feels kinda towny to me

You think? It was mostly that she felt too annoyed by my content.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Honestly I think there is good cause to believe MTR is a wolf as well, but Jarrods push is in good faith from my interpretation, I just think he is on the wrong target.

Im honestly not sure Im convinced by pushing Robo for being AFK. Id much rather see pushes on GC or VK

I'm curious about this discrepancy here. You seemed on the side of VK being more towny but here seems to want pushes on him? Do you just prefer him over Robo?

 

[Xanjori]

Ok vote VK and I will do too.

Well Ill be honest Id rather keep my vote on you :D

I just dont think Robo is great wagon choice.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

You think? It was mostly that she felt too annoyed by my content.

I mean when has that not been LDG's MO as either alignment? I could be wrong but I feel like she tends to be a bit more timid when scum and not have emotional snapvotes like that.

 

[Xanjori]

I'm curious about this discrepancy here. You seemed on the side of VK being more towny but here seems to want pushes on him? Do you just prefer him over Robo?

I think forcing people onto those two wagons is more AI than shrug yeeting Robo. Like I feel even if he is red his team are like "Well we can bus the AFK guy"

 

[GrumpyCat]

Well Ill be honest Id rather keep my vote on you :D

Then you are either scum or dont get the rules.

 

[Xanjori]

I mean when has that not been LDG's MO as either alignment? I could be wrong but I feel like she tends to be a bit more timid when scum and not have emotional snapvotes like that.

Eh maybe. I dont think Ive played enough games with her recently, just the anger itself felt like she wanted to bluster her way out the situation. I guess the best I can think is last time she was a wolf we pushed she just kinda went "Woe is me everyone hates me."

 

[Xanjori]

Then you are either scum or dont get the rules.

Well no I think you're scum and I dont think Vk is

 

[Xanjori]

Although Id prefer it if VK was here posting

 

[GrumpyCat]

Well no I think you're scum and I dont think Vk is

It is a minority yeet, you thinking wont help.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Do you think Xan is just fluffing these reads? They felt fairly thorough without seeming like just going through a checklist of olayersy

Is that just a question or is that your takeaway since that wasn't a conclusion I was making.

I would like to see more reads from him, yeah.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Eh maybe. I dont think Ive played enough games with her recently, just the anger itself felt like she wanted to bluster her way out the situation. I guess the best I can think is last time she was a wolf we pushed she just kinda went "Woe is me everyone hates me."

She kinda does that anytime she gets pressure though

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Vote: Robo

I'm gonna be busy over the next 20 minutes or so and don't want to risk not being able to follow and getting a vote in too late. I don't really like voting absent Robo but I prefer it to Void.

 

[Xanjori]

It is a minority yeet, you thinking wont help.

You understand its still a game of mafia right?

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Is that just a question or is that your takeaway since that wasn't a conclusion I was making.

I would like to see more reads from him, yeah.

It was a question. I don't really see the issue with what he's provided so far considering he had a big catch up to do. So I'm wondering if you have an issue with the reads/posts he's actually made or if you it's just that he doesn't have more reads/scumreads?

 

[Xanjori]

Honestly GrumpyCat is absolutely howling right now

 

[GrumpyCat]

You understand its still a game of mafia right?

If it was i would be playing on Satsu.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I'd happily switch back to Grumpy but literally no one but you, me, and Foxxi seem to care

 

[rock meets hard place]

it's just that he doesn't have more reads/scumreads

that one

 

[Xanjori]

Whens EOD? 26 minutes? And has anyone a VC to hand?

 

[Kryllian]

Unvote: psycho

 

[Xanjori]

Hello Kryllian, have you managed to read today?

 

[CRichardFoL]

I'm back. Who is in the lead?

 

[GrumpyCat]

7/7 VK/Robo from what i saw. Hammer is 9-10 in case of a tie both die.

 

[GrumpyCat]

I guess scum wont let tie happen in there is scum there.

 

[Xanjori]

Unvote:

Vote: Robozerim

Like Im not happy about this but Id rather defend my TR on VK for now.

 

[Kryllian]

This is what I have. I didn't see Psych unvote so I don't think his Robo counts.

Grumpy (2)-, psych, xan
Vk (6) - Jarrod, bn, rock, night, listo, Val
Mtr (2) - vk, drey
Robo (6) - claws, llettuce, Crich, matt, grump, MTR, Psych? (no unvote)
Xan (1) - LDG

 

[GrumpyCat]

So would I.

 

[Xanjori]

Wait Robo is voting for Robo?

 

[Xanjori]

Wait VK is voting VK?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Magic

 

[Dreyski]

Whens EOD? 26 minutes? And has anyone a VC to hand?

Using GC's numbers (#936), I have Robo on 7 and Void on 6. Modified hammer is 9.

 

[Mazer]

Trying to get a vote count up while in an uber.

Corrected in a minute

 

[Xanjori]

Fuck me the first 5 votes on Robo could legit make up my entire POE.

Its giving me shivers being on this wagon. Like its convincing me Robo flips green. But I dunno if it says anything about VKs alignment

 

[Kryllian]

i'm not a fan of either train at this point. It feels like scum are trying to keep them even for the double day lynch

 

[CRichardFoL]

I might have to reconsider town leaning MTR, if his son Future is ok with distancing from them. That being said. Future's progression on MTR is weird, and might towards scum/scum distancing between the two of them.

 

[Foxxi]

Unvote: Void
Vote: Robo
Robo has been fully absent, and I don't wanna wifom the inactivity vig taking him out vs scum controlling that kill

 

[CRichardFoL]

Unvote:
Vote: MTR
Lets get other counter trains going.