Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

[rock meets hard place]

Why MTR? Isn't he pretty likely to be town given that scum was voting him? yeah yeah scum distancing from each other is a thing but thats not the simple solution.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Are we still doing future?

if not im down for any of

8. VoidKitten
12. Kryllian
15. LemonDemonGirl
17. Robozerim
19. Nightingale

 

[VoidKitten]

If we wanted to look at the future train:

future (9)- vk, Jay,gc, val, night, psych

From positioning, GC could go either way depending on how you look at it, but I tend to lean it town. He voted right after Jay did. Sure, it could be a bus attempt, but there was no reason to think Sleep wouldn't inevitably win out.

Val could be a bus with now a 6th vote. I'm not putting it heavily either way right now. Val does Val.

Nightingale and Psycho could also be busses, but Nightingale has made posts yesterday and today that feel like town. She typically sits and focuses on mechanical discussions especially if things are in the air, but I did like the fact she brought up the no cred for me as it was specifically something I was looking for.

Psycho, I can see the thoughts. I don't see scum Psycho throwing that vote out there at the end to bring questions on him. It wouldn't provide cred.

Overall, I don't hate most of the the future train at all. Val would be who I'd pick if we had to choose someone from the train.

 

[VoidKitten]

Why MTR? Isn't he pretty likely to be town given that scum was voting him? yeah yeah scum distancing from each other is a thing but thats not the simple solution.

Future would 100% vote on his dad if they were partnered. It really is NAI coming from Future.

 

[rock meets hard place]

What are your non future wagon game thoughts?

 

[VoidKitten]

What are your non future wagon game thoughts?

We have a lot more people not here than I'd like.

Still like Dreyski with the way he was posting and asking questions.

No issues with Claws atm, which by Claws law means he's probably scum covered, but I am not currently bothered by anything to pursue it.

Anyone specifically?

 

[VoidKitten]

Oh. I am not yeeting Kryllian. That is a big ol hell no from me. Dude could claim to be scum today and I'd want to look elsehwere.

 

[rock meets hard place]

y not?

 

[rock meets hard place]

Vote: Robozerim

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Why is Jennifer Lawrence here lmao

 

[rock meets hard place]

I summoned her last night. She's a demon.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

I don't really watch movies so idk
Accurate.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Oh. I am not yeeting Kryllian. That is a big ol hell no from me. Dude could claim to be scum today and I'd want to look elsehwere.

Are you claiming meta knowledge on Kryllian claiming scum being NAI?

 

[Foxxi]

Whelp. Looks like future is either a stump or not actually rez'd. I'm guessing the latter since the ability to stump someone we have seen the alignment of is kinda eh. Especially when choosing scum because no one is going to pay any attention to anything he'd say. If it were a town role stumping a town player sure, but this makes no sense as a stump.

Void, talk to me about Grumpy. You think he could go either way - why? I didn't like him voting CWE, saying he would vote MTR and just not even mentioning future, and his vote on future right after jay doesn't mean much to me since as you yourself have mentioned, there was no reason at that point not to think sleep would eventually get piled on like it usually does so if they are partners it could still be thought a safe gamble. I can kinda see the offer to vote someone else if they reached 7 votes as twtbaw, but it still bothers me - and his reaction today saying that everyone else in that group is clear because the scum was found pings me.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Ok I'm going to guess that BN isn't Scum or anything because I'm still alive lol

 

[Dreyski]

Oh. I am not yeeting Kryllian. That is a big ol hell no from me. Dude could claim to be scum today and I'd want to look elsehwere.

y not?

Occam’s razor suggests that if he was blocked, the number of non-towns who acted makes it very unlikely that he’s one of them.

Oh and that game event is giving me pause, but y’all have to give me 12 hours or so.
Unvote:

 

[Matthieu]

I think whatever we're dealing with in regards to Future is probably tied to his role. He flipped as a 'deceiver' so it could very well be the case that there's trickery afoot. He might not even be dead for all we know or he is and we're just being baited into wasting time going after him.

I'm not sure what to make of Void's strong reaction to the idea of Kryllian being someone to look at. It seems a little extreme.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Unsurprisingly, Psycho666Soldier had ideas. Tracing his 666 tattoo, he gained power from Hell and invoked a powerful spell.

huh?

 

[rock meets hard place]

I think the big question is if it was a roleblock.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

"I would, give you guys a little break but I'm not Satan!"

 

[VoidKitten]

y not?

First game he has played in a year or more. Or at least feels that way. Not yeeting it for a bit to let him play.

 

[VoidKitten]

Are you claiming meta knowledge on Kryllian claiming scum being NAI?

Nope. Just don't like to get rid of people when they haven't played in awhile.

 

[VoidKitten]

Void, talk to me about Grumpy. You think he could go either way - why? I didn't like him voting CWE, saying he would vote MTR and just not even mentioning future, and his vote on future right after jay doesn't mean much to me since as you yourself have mentioned, there was no reason at that point not to think sleep would eventually get piled on like it usually does so if they are partners it could still be thought a safe gamble. I can kinda see the offer to vote someone else if they reached 7 votes as twtbaw, but it still bothers me - and his reaction today saying that everyone else in that group is clear because the scum was found pings me.

The vote on CWE would be the only thing that looks overly suspect to me and even that I want to feel was a random choice. Yeah, I get the concern because I picked Future over CWE. I did it because its more fun to vote Future, but mainly because CWE becomes obvious later on typically. I can see GC possibly not thinking about who to vote for. I can also see it done as a "welp we have a chance to get rid of cwe so lets try it."

Especially if scum were planning on killing him anyway I'm unsure why they'd want to push. Again, likely didn't expect Sleep to actually happen since it almost never does.

And this folks, is why I say D1 should never be a foregone conclusion of sleep or not.

 

[Listo95]

Listo is saddened by all the death that occurred in the night. Listo will try to get caught up after work.

Listo was there at Pompeii and helped the survivors get out and restart their lives.

The voice of Listo also forgot Listo’s deed last post.

Listo has kept all those close encounters with meteors away not letting any of them hit Earth.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Will be here to catch up and allat tonight. At work and then I have a Walrus reveal right after, but I'll be free after that

 

[Foxxi]

Ok I'm going to guess that BN isn't Scum or anything because I'm still alive lol

I kinda wanna call this town. LDG can be hard to read, but I think maybe this doesn't come from s!LDG?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Hey LDG do you know how to use night actions in this game?

 

[GrumpyCat]

I can see GC possibly not thinking about who to vote for

No I didn't. It stops being a silly probability theory if you start to influence it by thinking. I didn't care whitch one of MTR-FH-CWE it would be in the end. First one that sticks, turned to be FH.

Maybe I subconsiously picked CWE because voting him was as stupid as whole premise.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Hey LDG do you know how to use night actions in this game?

It depends, but usually no?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Random.org told me to

Vote: Psycho

 

[GrumpyCat]

I will wait for first train to reach 3 votes.

 

[Dreyski]

I think the big question is if it was a roleblock.

Well yes, the writeup is intentionally imprecise, but he wasn't killed, nor was he jailed (admittedly I'm only getting that from flavour) and I'm struggling to think of any other roles that would fit. Silencer maybe, but is that usually town?

@Kryllian are you able to confirm how you were acted against last night?

I'm also wondering what Future is doing - hasn't posted since being rezzed, can't be harmed, can be voted against. I wonder if its a weird stumpesque scenario.
The CWE and Badger kills aso strike me as the work of someone who knows them.

 

[Dreyski]

Ok I'm going to guess that BN isn't Scum or anything because I'm still alive lol

You're not Lora and that's in your favour.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Imo fh is just a decoy that can be ignored. We know his name and if he is alive he will show in writeup.

Question is if that is his passive as deciever scum superspell or 3rd party.

 

[Kryllian]

Who all are usually the ND1L4L crowd? Who usually always votes sleep but didn't?

What's ND1L4L?

 

[Kryllian]

Vote: psycho666

The night summary has their name in red. It also has Listo in Green. Not sure if they are indeed themselves and alignment indicated or if someone got a rolecard with their name...

 

[Dreyski]

What's ND1L4L?

No Day 1 Lynch 4 Lyfe

 

[Dreyski]

Vote: psycho666

The night summary has their name in red. It also has Listo in Green. Not sure if they are indeed themselves and alignment indicated or if someone got a rolecard with their name...

It’s that last one (I suppose someone could rand themselves).
Did you get any notification about what happened to you n1?

 

[Mazer]

grumpy (1) -nighty
vk (2) - jarrod, bn
mtr (1)- vk
robo (1)- rock
psych (2) - val, kryll


Hammer is at 9

 

[llettuce]

Is mtr 2 a typo mazer

 

[Matthieu]

Vote: Kryllian

 

[Claws]

Vote: robo

A quiet lamb doesnt sit well with me

 

[Claws]

Mondays are just the worst

 

[rock meets hard place]

I was going to vote void but then I remembered that I was voting robo and I'm ok with that train otoh I could vote void and add a lil' pressure

Vote: voidkitty

 

[rock meets hard place]

Vote: Kryllian

lets not, lets get on void or get the robo train going

 

[Mazer]

grumpy (1) -nighty
vk (3) - jarrod, bn, rock
mtr (1)- vk
robo (1)- claws
psych (2) - val, kryl
kryll (1)-matt

Hammer is at 9

 

[Mazer]

I was going to vote void but then I remembered that I was voting robo and I'm ok with that train otoh I could vote void and add a lil' pressure

Vote: voidkitty

Remember to unvote

 

[rock meets hard place]

Unvote: robo

Vote: voidgato

 

[Blind Ninja]

So this rule or 3 shit that richard brought up... is it only relevant on d1, or any day?

I will wait for first train to reach 3 votes.

Why are you waiting for the 1st train to get to 3? Dont want to get looked at as scum again?

 

[Kryllian]

It’s that last one (I suppose someone could rand themselves).
Did you get any notification about what happened to you n1?

Wouldn't you like to know....I haven't been gone so long that I'm just going to drop information that may be useful to scum without having a reason to share for Town's betterment.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Mom used her vast corporate resources to seize all of Blind Ninja’s resources. He was drowned in legal discovery.

Do we think that can be a rolecop potentially?

 

[Claws]

Thats possible i though maybe vanilla but youd come in way more mad

 

[Blind Ninja]

Thats possible i though maybe vanilla but youd come in way more mad

not been informed of anything of that sort

 

[Claws]

Ya no idea maybe a rolecop idk what else it potencially could be with a write up like that maybe just a plain rb idk

 

[Blind Ninja]

Ya no idea maybe a rolecop idk what else it potencially could be with a write up like that maybe just a plain rb idk

Half thought maybe steal the NA if it was used, but wouldnt RBing the person prevent that from happening?

 

[rock meets hard place]

I think Grumpy is sorta townie. Don't let that furball distract you from our correct course.

 

[llettuce]

Claws why robo? Just bc he's quiet?

 

[Xanjori]

FML I completely missed this game started, I am very sorry. Off to bed right now but will be back tomorrow and uh, read the entire thread I guess

 

[CRichardFoL]

Listo is saddened by all the death that occurred in the night. Listo will try to get caught up after work.

Listo was there at Pompeii and helped the survivors get out and restart their lives.

The voice of Listo also forgot Listo’s deed last post.

Listo has kept all those close encounters with meteors away not letting any of them hit Earth.

I don't remember Listo talking in 3rd person from past games.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I think whatever we're dealing with in regards to Future is probably tied to his role. He flipped as a 'deceiver' so it could very well be the case that there's trickery afoot. He might not even be dead for all we know or he is and we're just being baited into wasting time going after him.

I'm not sure what to make of Void's strong reaction to the idea of Kryllian being someone to look at. It seems a little extreme.

It points towards Void/Kryllian as not sharing a common scum chat. Wouldn't the scum have told Kryllian in no uncertain terms not to even utter a word about Future not being truly resurrected? Someone give me a sanity check on this.

 

[Dreyski]

I'd best get a vote in...but things aren't much clearer.
Vote: MTR

 

[CRichardFoL]

Who was it who asked why I'm town? Dreyski unless I'm mistaken.
To answer that mention. If Future and I were scum together, it makes zero sense for me to paint a target on their back when I pointed out the tell on MTR train reaching 3 votes having 1 scum.

 

[Listo95]

I don't remember Listo talking in 3rd person from past games.

Since this is a game all about Listo Listo wanted to try doing something fun.

Once Listo talked a volcano into becoming permanently dormant.

 

[CRichardFoL]

@CRichardFoL
@Kryllian
@rock meets hard place

Nice to meet you (I don't believe we've met). Why should I not vote to yeet you?

I answered this earlier with the quoted post below.

Who was it who asked why I'm town? Dreyski unless I'm mistaken.
To answer that mention. If Future and I were scum together, it makes zero sense for me to paint a target on their back when I pointed out the tell on MTR train reaching 3 votes having 1 scum.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I summoned her last night. She's a demon.

Why would you do that? That isn't going to end well.

 

[Claws]

Claws why robo? Just bc he's quiet?

robo is notorious at being quiet when hes scum usually we get large posts when hes scum its like nadda

 

[Claws]

the only thing i think void has going for him is the fact hes randed scum like 4? games in a row (that he has played) do i really think hes randed again i doubt it but then again hes a bastard so who knows

 

[Claws]

Hey LDG do you know how to use night actions in this game?

oof thats kinda scummy even for my taste

 

[CRichardFoL]

the only thing i think void has going for him is the fact hes randed scum like 4? games in a row (that he has played) do i really think hes randed again i doubt it but then again hes a bastard so who knows

Gambler Fallacy go brrr.

 

[rock meets hard place]

richard beat me to it.

 

[rock meets hard place]

the only thing would be if this site doesn't randomize and the mods assign roles based on...whatever they feel like.

 

[rock meets hard place]

Why would you do that? That isn't going to end well.

j-law is a national fucking treasure. back off my sweet Kentucky girl

 

[llettuce]

I don't remember Listo talking in 3rd person from past games.

He doesn't said he's trying a new gimmick, is his game after all

 

[Claws]

the only thing would be if this site doesn't randomize and the mods assign roles based on...whatever they feel like.

that generally doesnt happen unless its a tribute game like likely listo is listo or hes not idk

 

[llettuce]

the only thing would be if this site doesn't randomize and the mods assign roles based on...whatever they feel like.

I believe most people actually rand, but can depend on the person and tribute game can be a bit different

 

[Listo95]

that generally doesnt happen unless its a tribute game like likely listo is listo or hes not idk

Listo wishes Listo was Listo.

 

[Listo95]

Listo once sent an entire orphanage to college with Listo's own money.

 

[Claws]

Listo wishes Listo was Listo.

 

[rock meets hard place]

I also remain thoroughly unconvinced that MTR is scum b/c Future was voting there and I'd flip all the people on that wagon.

 

[llettuce]

Idk future is always voting his dad; nai imo

 

[rock meets hard place]

maybe it doesn't clear him but it still doesn't seem like todays best wagon, idk.

 

[llettuce]

I'm too sick for this uuuuuiih. Goonaaaaa
Vote: robo???

And go piss sneeze

 

[CRichardFoL]

Idk future is always voting his dad; nai imo

I don't see myself voting MTR, mainly because the tell I used D1 makes me think they're just town. Sure Future could vote their dad no matter their alignments, yet the odds are it's 1 scum in MTR, Future, CWE and Grumpycat.

 

[CRichardFoL]

I don't see myself voting MTR, mainly because the tell I used D1 makes me think they're just town. Sure Future could vote their dad no matter their alignments, yet the odds are it's 1 scum in MTR, Future, CWE and Grumpycat.

I don't see myself voting MTR, mainly because the tell I used D1 makes me think they're just town. Sure Future could vote their dad no matter their alignments, yet the odds are it's 1 scum in MTR, Future, CWE and Grumpycat.
I added in CWE's flip.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Don't have much from the writeup. Seems like most of our info died with Badger, though I do think Kryllian was probably roleblocked which would knock a decent number of scum roles off of him.

I thought maybe Blind was vanilla'd but from what he says not the case. I also think him openly saying he's not clear is probably a good look. Enough for me to not worry about him.

I also can't help but wonder if scum bus drove Xan to try and take him out of the firing range of an inactivity vig, but you could argue they were just trying to get a free kill on Listo. Will see how Xan develops once he starts posting.

I'm on the side if ignoring Future for now because the hammer requirement and the attempted day kill seem to point to his resurrection being a red herring. If he's still in the playerlist after the phase ends, let's try and roleblock him and decide from there.

 

[Listo95]

Listo has caught up but doesn't have much to add sadly.

Listo one time found a wounded fox and nursed it back to health intending to return it to the wild. Once doing so the fox eventually returned with a ton of baby foxes and Listo was an adoring fan.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Another reason why I think MTR is town is I don't see both he and Future stacking on sleep, as scum don't like to stack votes D1.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Not really sure I like Grumpy's posts today. I think arguing that scum wouldn't bus last phase could potentially be absolving himself of blame as well as trying to move attention away from other partners hiding on the wagon. The "waiting for a wagon to reach 3," thing feels a bit like using Abbi's law as a crutch (and incorrectly because it only counts for the first wagon of the game). And Nightingale has made a good point about him voting Future while having spent most of his time talking about/pushing other options. It's also notable he was pushing for a sleep vote over hammering Future. The one thing that makes me hesitant is I feel I tend to scumread Grumpy a lot so maybe I'm confbiasing myself.

Claws is getting better so far, but not sure I'm sold on flipping that read yet. I kind of like the push on Robo because it feels independent and develops from the Void push, which I think Claws would be more fixated on if he was putting on a front. But if Robo is town, it's kind of an easy read to fall back on.

Nightingale seems towny so far. I like that she dove right into assessing the Future wagon and was constantly questioning the majority requirement when future was rezzed. If it is a red herring, seems like scum would try to push the idea that it's real or feign confusion rather than actively working to put doubt on the plot. I guess if the rez is real maybe it's scum trying to keep him alive longer. We'll have to see, but overall feels fine.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Another reason why I think MTR is town is I don't see both he and Future stacking on sleep, as scum don't like to stack votes D1.

Any particular reason you're so focused on MTR or is this just kind of where your brain is at with your processing right now?

 

[CRichardFoL]

Mtr(1) - crich
Xan (2)- Kryll, cwe
listo(1) - robo
psych (1)- badger
matt (1) -dreyski
vk (2) -bn, claws
rock (1)-llettuce
badger(1)- jarrod
future (8)- vk, Jay,gc, val, night,
Grumpy (1)- psych,
jarrod (1) - rock
kryll (1)- Listo
sleep (3) - mtr, future, matt

 

[CRichardFoL]

Any particular reason you're so focused on MTR or is this just kind of where your brain is at with your processing right now?

I'm pushing against the MTR train, because I'm pretty sure they're a mislunch.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Matt is probably not mafia, though they can be 3p. I haven't heard of anything that disproves them being 3p.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Vote: LemonDemonGirl
Still in my PoE.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

For what it's worth, I'm not keen on pushing MTR either. I think the bit of headbutting with Future is enough to give him some space. I also felt the early pile on is more indicative of him being town with at least one scum flipping on that wagon.

 

[Blind Ninja]

Matt is probably not mafia, though they can be 3p. I haven't heard of anything that disproves them being 3p.

Why?

Matt voting sleep D1 is NAI. If your reason is scum wouldnt stack sleep d1, you are sorely mistaken

 

[Blind Ninja]

@LemonDemonGirl Care to answer who you would push and why? Was asked to you yesterday and you were adamant about not answering that question

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Sigh if you want to hammer why couldn’t we have hammered the inactives? This is a terrible mistake and Ray really wasted a good ability on me

True
Unvote:

This is kind of a weird interaction if partnered. Like it's sort of a non-sequitur, but knowing LDG like I do, this reads a bit more like she felt some kind of pressure to move her vote, and I don't think she'd feel that in reaction to a non-related post from her partner.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I'm cautiously reserving judgment on Void. I like the way he was solving the Future wagon, but last time I thought he was playing hella towny, he was scum, so I'm not shielding him any time soon.

 

[Listo95]

Vote: LemonDemonGirl
Still in my PoE.

Listo agrees she needs to be vetted or removed before endgame.

Listo one time created an entire city just for the homeless to live in.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Jarrod's solving on Void feels genuine too. CRichard also still seems fine.

I don't really have strong feelings on anyone else yet.

Grumpy
Claws
Robo
Xan

I think these are the slots I feel most comfortable voting right now