Also I dont like this, I dont think anything Claws is saying is scummy here. He is having natural thoughts for a towny and you wanting to dismiss it makes me think you are just trying to con us.Claws outing very hard I see
Also I dont like this, I dont think anything Claws is saying is scummy here. He is having natural thoughts for a towny and you wanting to dismiss it makes me think you are just trying to con us.
It was a calculated risk. I decided it was worth it to take a shot at Psycho since he said he would take multiple tries for town to take him out.MTR cannot tell us his character nor his role, but the info he provided makes me believe he is not a cop, but that he was able to identify players that were not noted in the write-up, as characters that did. He knows who he targeted, but he can't say that specifically.
If I was able to figure this out, I am sure that others can, and MTR deserves protection.
Tildey getting stumped does not seem to jive with the rules of the gun game
Did Psycho just lose his BPV?
Windward losing his life hurts town because he should have taken the BPV, but it supports keeping psycho alive as he did not register a kill, and Exodia needs 2 more.
I'd love to hear Tildey share whatever she can about how/why she decided to choose a gun.
Any insight as to why you got stumped instead of flipped?
None that I can share.
How am i outting im gunna lynch cape why should you get a winClaws outing very hard I see
Definitely not scum.The fact that she hasn't flipped does not help town at all, so it seems like part of a scum role
I mean I'm gonna die anyway and I literally said you can kill me before Claws.Also I dont like this, I dont think anything Claws is saying is scummy here. He is having natural thoughts for a towny and you wanting to dismiss it makes me think you are just trying to con us.
This reaction, I should specify, look like he's desperately trying to draw shots to me. Town wants me dead but town knows I'm fucked and mostly can't do shit. So scum clearly wants people to shoot me instead of Cape, who probably grabbed a bpv, so that if we chop him today, he lives. The potential kill threat against them is gone and Cape gets one more night to act.He said he was gunna gun cape which looks helpful but who does it help other then himself we are gunna lynch cape anyways if you chose a gun i implor you to shoot psycho if he chose bpv he lied to us and how can we trust him anyways
Are you ok do you need a hug your really reaching for a cornered animalThis reaction, I should specify, look like he's desperately trying to draw shots to me. Town wants me dead but town knows I'm fucked and mostly can't do shit. So scum clearly wants people to shoot me instead of Cape, who probably grabbed a bpv, so that if we chop him today, he lives. The potential kill threat against them is gone and Cape gets one more night to act.
I don't think just pushing me or saying I need to die is scummy automatically. I think emphatically pleading for people to shoot me instead of Cape is just as scum motivated as pushing to chop me instead of Cape.
Wow thats a surprisingly alot of shots
Im thinkin psychos gunna kill me tonight if he has a chance and im still votin cape
My read of the event rules was that the bpv was only good during the event (not until the end of phase). Meaning that if you chose the BPV then you couldn’t get shot by someone that chose gun. @VoidKitten can you clarify?This reaction, I should specify, look like he's desperately trying to draw shots to me. Town wants me dead but town knows I'm fucked and mostly can't do shit. So scum clearly wants people to shoot me instead of Cape, who probably grabbed a bpv, so that if we chop him today, he lives. The potential kill threat against them is gone and Cape gets one more night to act.
I don't think just pushing me or saying I need to die is scummy automatically. I think emphatically pleading for people to shoot me instead of Cape is just as scum motivated as pushing to chop me instead of Cape.
Oh, reading it again, you're probably right. So Cape can probably still die today unless he already had a BPVMy read of the event rules was that the bpv was only good during the event (not until the end of phase). Meaning that if you chose the BPV then you couldn’t get shot by someone that chose gun. @VoidKitten can you clarify?
This opening gave me whiplash
Listo arrived here like they have been here this whole time. It just seems like such a non opener
listo is kinda the same story, they also feel verbally stally.
i have my eye on blind ninja since rock died, but I am still kinda leaning town there due to threadstate of a million coasters LOL
This actually might be a good look for ListoSo overall this is where I am at
MTR (revived)
Cracklestep
3puppies
Xanjori
GrumpyCat
PyschoSoldier
Claws
CWE
Blind Ninja
Matthieu
Mazer
WindwardAway
llettuce
Kareemah
Val
FutureHold
Listo
Tidley
Not sure if this is just shading for the sake of shading or if there's a partner mixed in here. It feels a bit like one of these are partnered, but I'm not too sure how much I want to read into that since he never seriously pushed any of themllettuce hasn't made major reads since Sunday. That feels coasty
But then we have Kareemah who only had one scum read who just died in rock and was saying silly things like rock was only posting to hit postmin, like if they were doing that why would they top post? Also their non filler moved the game forward
Tidley felt wolfy in that they "read" everything once, but hasn't provided an actual read off that, and then proceeded to talk about how they are usually better then this
She is solvey scum or town. Prior to this game she was town twice and one of those games was the game we didn't know who each other were and she died on like day 2 or something.Tildey tends to be much more solvey when she's town, but she has rolled scum quite a bit
well idk if ur familiar with me but i outed ur friend last game by existing
1. Wow D:
2. Me? No. I was in champs season 8 but not with Xanjori, im just familiar with him, along with some others here
is this a joke?
That read sounds like complete filler anyways.
You could say that for any group of 6 people
Listo arrived here like they have been here this whole time. It just seems like such a non opener
Vote: GrumpyCat
Down for this Claws, and Blind Ninja
With Grumpy I found the wording of this message sus.
With Claws they posted a lot of NAI things and then did some whatever mech talk that felt meh.
With Blind Ninja, they feel strange. I didnt like that one comment they had to where they said they are an easy target
I kinda townread the last line here. Like they feel really "on edge" right now and that could go either way, like I have seen a lot of scummy town do that, but at the same time I do find it scummy.
I think rock and a hard place and Xanjori have been the towniest people so far in the game.
I mean, Psycho wasn't near my first choice but,
1. slight paranoia, like it is easy to just slap a townread there for putting in some decent stuff.
2. I checked back at his conversation with me about rock because i thought he was being inconsistent there, but nah.
And as of now I am getting more sketch vibes off of Psycho's treatment of GrumpyCat. Like he voted GrumpyCat in agreement with me and is now saying they are "too easy" and are now saying in their recent posts that GrumpyCat's posts were perhaps too open wolfy early on and they wouldn't be so wolfy if they were wolf.
The problem I have with this take is I don't get the vibe that GrumpyCat was posting scummy on purpose.
i totally forgot about them
Vote: Val the Moofia Boss
They haven't left an impression on me so im fine swapping here
it would just prove i cant read
Crackleslap still feels really towny, Xanjori does to, but the ladder means Xanjori is wolfing. (I don't believe this read)
Psycho has felt very towny recently
and finally WWA is trending a bit down for me, could see them being deepwolf, the way they handled me gave me the heeby jeebies, stuff after that felt ~fine but a bit coasty ig
So overall this is where I am at
MTR (revived)
Cracklestep
3puppies
Xanjori
GrumpyCat
PyschoSoldier
Claws
CWE
Blind Ninja
Matthieu
Mazer
WindwardAway
llettuce
Kareemah
Val
FutureHold
Listo
Tidley
[\spoiler]cool so like, why aren't we just killing them then? I am town
No. And because of that that's why that's the one I support over Psych.Do you really think scum would kill their buddy counting there will be a rez mechanic that it will be MTR who would get picked and use a cannibal kill on top of that that would let them see their pole while others wouldnt? To get a role they already know?
MTR could be wrong about Cape but if he is red then it is 4d chess indeed.
Stumpin is great. Congrats. That's actually my favorite.None that I can share.
What am I specifically being inaccurate on?Mazer's being a bit thick about it, but it's ok. I literally have nothing to gain by trying to lie about my solve. I'll die eventually and maybe you can learn to accept my help from.the grave.
I can see this point. But I still don't think anyone should allow you to oversell that later. Your words have burned me before.This reaction, I should specify, look like he's desperately trying to draw shots to me. Town wants me dead but town knows I'm fucked and mostly can't do shit. So scum clearly wants people to shoot me instead of Cape, who probably grabbed a bpv, so that if we chop him today, he lives. The potential kill threat against them is gone and Cape gets one more night to act.
I don't think just pushing me or saying I need to die is scummy automatically. I think emphatically pleading for people to shoot me instead of Cape is just as scum motivated as pushing to chop me instead of Cape.
I don't hate this. You know cape better than me, but didn't necessarily strike as a go for the team right away. Particularly if you are new to group.All these posts are in response to or about Xanjori:
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Kinda torn here. It's a lot of interaction if they're partners, but also a lot of it feels pretty softballed. Don't get the feeling from Cape's side they're truly evaluating each other, but I'd have to look at Xan's side to confirm that. Worth looking into, not sure it nets anything.
Also a couple of these posts might clear Grumpy. I remember Grumpy was Cape's primary push on d1, and the fact he tried to shade me for joining that wagon reads like scum who knows I'm targeting town so has the room to make that flip.
I've had many thoughts about Xanjori as well tbh (and others!). If cape is red, I'd get extra curious about Xanjori.All these posts are in response to or about Xanjori:
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Kinda torn here. It's a lot of interaction if they're partners, but also a lot of it feels pretty softballed. Don't get the feeling from Cape's side they're truly evaluating each other, but I'd have to look at Xan's side to confirm that. Worth looking into, not sure it nets anything.
Also a couple of these posts might clear Grumpy. I remember Grumpy was Cape's primary push on d1, and the fact he tried to shade me for joining that wagon reads like scum who knows I'm targeting town so has the room to make that flip.
More where you were insinuating that me evaluating how people handled me was meant to be misdirection. I don't really blame you for being wary of my words, of course. Nor do I think I'm like 100% right. Just don't want people to just overlook my reads just because of my alignment. You know I'm a scum hunter at heart.What am I specifically being inaccurate on?
yall want me to swap to cape or we lynching 2
This is probably a towny position against my slot. Placeholder on Claws after this maybe a tiny bit too.It's likely that a third party role with the ability to kill has some form of protection, yes. As it happens, the flavour text suggests that Psycho only requires two more kills in order to secure victory. Presumably at that point he then departs the game in a manner similar to Blind Ninja.
He's been caught out, though I don't think he's going to throw the game in a way that isn't to his favour. So I'd say to be on the safe side we try to yeet him today to remove his protection and then if he doesn't hit scum in the night, we take him out properly tomorrow. If he does hit scum tonight, we allow him to endure and achieve his win condition.
I don't know how much Psycho can say but...my concern is if we don't strip him of his protection he'll just target someone at random then go 'lol' and be unyeetable during the following day phase and take someone else out at night. That's exactly what I'd do.
This is probably a towny wish. Even though I don't like how he reacted to me saying Claws was scum, I think scum definitely don't want me to be officially added to town numbers with a protective ability. Especially from Xan who is great at making interesting wishes.I wish for Psychos win con to be changed, his NK will be replaced with a non-consecutive doctor ability (can self target) and his new win con requires him to successfully block two NKs.
For someone that says they’re gonna go after scum for now, you’re not going after scum. This is a twisted way to win and take the heat off ur teamCrackle shouldn't be touched ever. My reads have llettuce as clean. Gut says to go after Kareemah. That's all I got for now.
Psycho doesn't have a team. He's third party and he did kill scum during the night.For someone that says they’re gonna go after scum for now, you’re not going after scum. This is a twisted way to win and take the heat off ur team
True and yeah, I saw that you’re caught. I already reacted to that.The one time I played scum with Kareemah, she had a problem with saying things in thread that she shouldn't know. She doesn't even acknowledge me being caught and it's clear scum preferred me being chopped over Cape, so that just adds to the disconnected from thread vibe that probably spews Kareemah town.
Oh my bad, I’m useless town this game sorryPsycho doesn't have a team. He's third party and he did kill scum during the night.
Cwe, Future, me, Matt, Mazer, Val, Xan.So if me, psycho, lettuce, and crackle are safe who does that leave?
Look at Mr I told you soTold ya
Agree. He should survive except for a pure crapshoot for the foreseeable.I'm willing to put my trust in Psycho since he kept his word. Taking him out this day phase would only serve to waste time that could be better spent looking elsewhere.
Quick jump on lettuce based on psych's gut only ?So if me, psycho, lettuce, and crackle are safe who does that leave?
I never know what to make of Val pop up votes.thanks val
I'm not willing to write her off, I've played a scum game with an inactive chat and lost and confused is the easiest part to play. I feel like a lot of her posts have been filler and at least for me we are at a stage where pieces should be coming together. Especially since she's been getting a lot of shit, to say ah yes the sk cleared me on vibes whose next reeks.I never know what to make of Val pop up votes.
What do you think of kareemah?
Do you think I "know" how to play any scum play optimally?CWE was too eager to drop off my wagon and vote Cape. I dunno, maybe he knows how the "Scum against outed neutral" game goes because he's been a part of the many times scum!Rip tried to make those arguments, so maybe he was just getting ahead of the game. But he never faltered and overall I think that's probably town indicative.
Oh shit. This snuck up on meI'm 50/50 on which way I'm going today. Head or heart, people? And yes, by heart, I mean liver.
And also, I will be spreadsheeting today. Since when this day ends, none of you will see ME for 30 days.
Welcome to hell!
Snuck up on you?Oh shit. This snuck up on me
This is not a drill people. I repeat, this is not a drill.
Oh right maybe this, but looking at this list its extremely townsided, with I believe the top 6 not on his team? (Thats based on MTR being clean.)This actually might be a good look for Listo
I was considering this. But BOTH trains had info so how many do we think hopped on their own teammates' train over an outed sk?I mean I wont lie, Im half tempted to just nuke the Psycho wagon, but some red must have gone Cape when it was dealing with info
Also I got the feeling from the write-up that this was a mass RB? Which makes the amount of deaths wildMaximillion Pegasus bowed his head to his fallen comrades. He would not let Industrial Illusions lose. Now that casualties were starting to mount, he used his Millenium Eye to pierce into everyone's souls. “Now this is going to hurt, but it will hurt them more than us.”
Yeah its one where technically there isnt a "wrong" train to be on, its probably better to look for some closer VCs in the middle where maybe red felt they had more chance of saving CapeI was considering this. But BOTH trains had info so how many do we think hopped on their own teammates' train over an outed sk?
There was a wrong train. And may God have mercy on anyone I decide has a bad reason.Yeah its one where technically there isnt a "wrong" train to be on, its probably better to look for some closer VCs in the middle where maybe red felt they had more chance of saving Cape