Mafia 7: Everyone Loves Listo. Except the Devil.

[PsychoSoldier]

Vote: GrumpyCat

 

[Foxxi]

Matt's vote on sleep is indeed NAI - he always votes sleep D1 these days, at least I can't remember a game he hasn't recently. The thing that bothers me about his sleep vote is that sleep does usually win out on D1, and I feel scum would be more than happy to take advantage of that. Future was already on sleep, matt votes sleep... if matt were town, why wouldn't some other scum take advantage of that to try to follow along and maybe push sleep ahead? But if matt is also scum, following the scum future vote... the rest of the team may have been more hesitant to continue voting there all in a block. The alternative I suppose is we just have an exceedingly passive scum team that just... didn't even try to save him it seems.

 

[Foxxi]

This is why I was asking about who usually votes for sleep D1 and just didn't this time for seemingly no reason. I knew jarrod is one of them when I asked, and I kinda like that he admitted it but didn't try to point at other people for it... though I am genuinely curious. I know Mazer usually goes sleep, and morri too I think? But neither are playing here so I'm actually not sure if there are others I'm forgetting.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I think Dreyski was part of it? I could be wrong there. The main one I always remember is Mazer because I feel we see so many things about mafia similarly but disagree so strongly there.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I'm still used to being one of like 3 people.that actually want to chop on D2 and ever since the influx of MMO-C people that isn't really the case anymore.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

EBWOP D1 not D2

Though I like chopping on D2 also

 

[Claws]

Listo agrees she needs to be vetted or removed before endgame.

Listo one time created an entire city just for the homeless to live in.

was it new jersey?

 

[Claws]

Jarrod's solving on Void feels genuine too. CRichard also still seems fine.

I don't really have strong feelings on anyone else yet.

Grumpy
Claws
Robo
Xan

I think these are the slots I feel most comfortable voting right now

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I agree that Future should be taken out today but don't 'speed' through the day phase since there's a rule that strongly encourages at least five posts.

Notable that Matthieu was pushing Future as needing to be dealt with but cautioning a speed yeet. If Future is purely a red herring, I could see scum wanting to hold off on a potential hammer

 

[Claws]

yall are tiring off to bread

 

[Claws]

i think its too early to clear grae and mtr more from claws tomorrow.

 

[Foxxi]

Notable that Matthieu was pushing Future as needing to be dealt with but cautioning a speed yeet. If Future is purely a red herring, I could see scum wanting to hold off on a potential hammer

I mean, I also cautioned against rushing into yeeting too fast. And I kinda disagree, if future is a red herring and scum know that - they'd probably be more than happy to rush a yeet on someone that is still actually dead - I mean I suppose they could be worried maj would be reached and nothing would happen? But if votes can be cast on future I kinda think we could possibly "yeet" him even though it wouldn't accomplish anything, like the reaped targets in throne of lies. All that said, I don't think scum would actively push to speed yeet openly even if they hoped it would happen.

 

[rock meets hard place]

kinda odd to me to be willing to vote claws AND the guy that claws is voting for. So you think its like a bus?

 

[rock meets hard place]

Xan needs to put some work in the game but much like yesterday voting a guy that hasn't been around just seems like such a silly idea.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I'm still used to being one of like 3 people.that actually want to chop on D2 and ever since the influx of MMO-C people that isn't really the case anymore.

I think we need to chop every day in most cases... Only times i think we need to vote sleep is final 4 with 1 scum left

 

[rock meets hard place]

I know everyone is saying that MTR isn't confirmed but what if he is and scum are intentionally voting there so they don't spew anyone else?

 

[Blind Ninja]

to add on to that, potentially some very situational times

 

[PsychoSoldier]

kinda odd to me to be willing to vote claws AND the guy that claws is voting for. So you think its like a bus?

No, if Robo is scum then Claws is probably fine and vice-versa. But neither seem incompatible with Future, and like I said before Claws feels better than d1 whereas Robo has only made less than a bare minimum appearance on d1.

 

[Foxxi]

Ngl I forgot robo was even playing till people started voting him this phase.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

I know everyone is saying that MTR isn't confirmed but what if he is and scum are intentionally voting there so they don't spew anyone else?

Are you saying that MTR is confirmed town and are voting him so they don't clear someone else as town?

I think if scum are worried about MTR being confirmed as town, they're probably going to try and push someone else rather than double down on a sinking ship.

 

[rock meets hard place]

huh? I don't get the last sentence

 

[CRichardFoL]

Ngl I forgot robo was even playing till people started voting him this phase.

Same. That's pretty trippy now they're mentioned.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Vote: Robo
If I don't remember a player, the odds are they aren't town. Do Robots go to heaven?

 

[CRichardFoL]

Ngl I forgot robo was even playing till people started voting him this phase.

Unpairs Robo and Nightingale, as the latter would probably remember them from their hypothetical scum chat otherwise.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Unvote:
Vote: Robo
That's better.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Vote: Robo
Don't want to get shot

 

[PsychoSoldier]

huh? I don't get the last sentence

I'm saying if they think MTR is spewed as town(which I'm guessing you're saying), then scum are more likely to push someone else instead of someone who's considered cleared. Why would they continue pushing someone that's just gonna grab them more attention?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Vote: Robo
Don't want to get shot

I don't think you were in danger.

 

[Blind Ninja]

I don't think you were in danger.

Think she was more referring to the 5 posts and a vote

 

[rock meets hard place]

I'm saying if they think MTR is spewed as town(which I'm guessing you're saying), then scum are more likely to push someone else instead of someone who's considered cleared. Why would they continue pushing someone that's just gonna grab them more attention?

ok that's why I was confused. Void and Drey are not catching flak for pushing MTR and I don't think MTR is considered "clear" or at least not alot of ppl have said they think MTR is clear. So if your counter to my theory is that they wouldn't push someone that grabs attention then what's that based on b/c that's not happening in the thread. If we were to say that MTR was town b/c scum voted him what makes you think that a potential scum void and drey would vote someone else and risk clearing them?

but while you are here (well prob not now) your name was red in the write up, I pointed this out and someone else voted you. Is there a reason you chose not to comment on this?

 

[rock meets hard place]

Are we still doing future?

if not im down for any of

8. VoidKitten
12. Kryllian
15. LemonDemonGirl
17. Robozerim
19. Nightingale

+

1. Psycho666Soldier
22. Dreyski

 

[Matthieu]

Alright, I'll get off of Kryllian. I misread the start of day summary since it read to me like a BPV popping but if that were the case I'd expect more people to come to the same conclusion and pursue it. I do think he's someone to keep an eye moving forward, though.

Unvote: Kryllian

 

[Matthieu]

Why Robo and not Xanjori, though?

I pointed out back on D1 that Xanjori hadn't shown up yet and although they're both quiet Robo has 3 posts and Xanjori has 1. Jarrod was given a free pass on D1 for not showing up as well, I believe?


Vote: Xanjori

 

[Xanjori]

Gonna open up with a

Vote: GrumpyCat

Because once Future picked up his 4 votes it felt Grumpy really wanted to try get another wagon going (in this case sleep.)

At first I was worried over Nightingale because it felt she was looking at other avenues than FH but the fact shes also pushing GC a fair bit makes me think shes also town for now.

CRichard Ive got down as a TR, he is finding his way in a game with new players, asking questions and prodding.

Rock Im unsure on, he was being very Rock like in his aggressive pushes but I got worried that in one post he TMI'd me as town. Also his listed preferences in p#702 just seems a very wolf sided list.

I nearly wrote "Badger Ive got listed as town" but I guess that one is cheating.

Val Ive got as town.

LDG actually feels a bit wolfy, her suggestion of going after the LHF struck me as particularly wolfy.

Matt actually broke his day 1 sleep voting to try and vote me, honestly not sure what to make of that. If he is a partner of FH pushing sleep may have been the better option, at the same time he did end up back there so maybe I am just SRing him correctly.

Also I dont have any notes on MTR but it wouldnt surprise me if he did flip red after FHs first post on him

And there you go, thats my catch up

 

[Xanjori]

Why Robo and not Xanjori, though?

I pointed out back on D1 that Xanjori hadn't shown up yet and although they're both quiet Robo has 3 posts and Xanjori has 1. Jarrod was given a free pass on D1 for not showing up as well, I believe?


Vote: Xanjori

I mean I didnt show up because I didnt realise the game had started, I should fix so I get email notifications, I expected a discord ping.

 

[Xanjori]

If Im wrong on GC btw Id defo put Foxxi under some examination, but I cannot deny I mindmelded with a decent chunk of her posts.

 

[Xanjori]

Oh yeah I think Void is kinda towny for being quite relaxed, admittedly its actually years since he was a wolf but last time I remember Foxxi absolutely buried him day 1. So for now he is going in the town pile

 

[Xanjori]

TLDR

(Yes I know its not everyone, and two are now dead, but whatever)

Day 1 reads
Town
Crich
Void
Foxxi
Val
CWE
Badger

Psycho
Claws


Rock
LDG
GC

 

[Xanjori]

One scum in the focus group was already discovered. Others are clear. Its a law.

Also just to respond to this because it was looked into

in 47% of games there was exactly one scum in the 4.
in 20% of games there were two scum.

I forgot the stats after that.

 

[Xanjori]

Psycho, I can see the thoughts. I don't see scum Psycho throwing that vote out there at the end to bring questions on him. It wouldn't provide cred.

Overall, I don't hate most of the the future train at all. Val would be who I'd pick if we had to choose someone from the train.

And posts like this make me feel confident about VK town. Like it accurately mirrors my own thoughts and unless Im derping hard then yeah VK is just town and pushing the right angles

 

[rock meets hard place]

Xan, is there any specific reason that not everyone was on that list?

 

[rock meets hard place]

also, why were you scumreading me d1 if the post you said that you didn't like was from day 2? or if those are just composite reads then why did you label them d1 reads?

 

[Xanjori]

Xan, is there any specific reason that not everyone was on that list?

The others didnt stick out enough when reading the day I guess

 

[Jarrod1983]

Why Robo and not Xanjori, though?

I pointed out back on D1 that Xanjori hadn't shown up yet and although they're both quiet Robo has 3 posts and Xanjori has 1. Jarrod was given a free pass on D1 for not showing up as well, I believe?


Vote: Xanjori

I wouldn't call it a free pass so much. Maybe more like a golden ticket. I was present either way. I view it more as quality over quantity pal.

 

[Xanjori]

also, why were you scumreading me d1 if the post you said that you didn't like was from day 2? or if those are just composite reads then why did you label them d1 reads?

I did state there was a worry you had TMI'd me as town on Day 1.

 

[Xanjori]

Jarrods posting day 2 has felt decent as well, like he hasnt come in overly worried about thread position but is instead just come in and solving. I'd put him almost instantly into TL's

 

[rock meets hard place]

oh right. how so?

 

[Xanjori]

oh right. how so?

When people brought up that I was absent you wrote "I think OC just says he's not around as opposed to scum just lurking it out."

Maybe Im reading too much into that, was just a worry on my read through.

I guess Im more worried about Matt pushing for a vote on me, we've played together long enough for him to know Id never just entirely skip a day. I think I have a tendency to post lower as a wolf but I never go MIA.

 

[Xanjori]

Actually yeah I completely forgot to include that, but I'd put Matt down in the lower end of the reads list

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

Guess your Scumchat finally told you to post.
Unvote:
Vote: Xanjori

 

[Xanjori]

Yeah I wont lie, I really do think LDG is just a wolf lol

 

[Xanjori]

If I had a team that told me to post, how did it take me 3 days to arrive?

 

[rock meets hard place]

A guy has zero posts. The simplest solution is not that you were just inactive? and I should have assumed you were scum lurking it out?

I'll remember that for next time.

 

[Xanjori]

A guy has zero posts. The simplest solution is not that you were just inactive? and I should have assumed you were scum lurking it out?

I'll remember that for next time.

Sure like I said I maybe over-read it, and right now I think GC, Matt and LDG are worth more attention

 

[rock meets hard place]

I mean, it's not impossible that you were just inactive scun but given the choice between inactive and scum not posting as a strategy the $$$ is on you being inactive.

 

[Xanjori]

But to move on from that, explain to me why you're interested in wagoning Nightingale and VoidKitten?

 

[rock meets hard place]

I...thought about LDG being scum but I liked the robo vote

 

[rock meets hard place]

I no longer want to do the nurse. It was just a vibe, I didn't really like some of her interactions with me and then I was sus of her b/c she was telling us to not assume that Jay was town-who is now flipped town. So I thought that was scummy.

 

[rock meets hard place]

for void I'm sheeping Jarrod, don't really like the d2 MTR wagon and then a secret secret reason

 

[rock meets hard place]

but also there are more than 3 scum and thats even assuming that those reads are correct so I'd like to see you expand your scum reads.

 

[LemonDemonGirl]

"U-um no, you're Scum"
Really? That's your best respose?

 

[Xanjori]

"U-um no, you're Scum"
Really? That's your best respose?

Well no if you look at my posts I said you felt scummy before you voted me. Your reaction to me voting and giving my thoughts hasnt changed that opinion. Did you look at the reads I gave? The other people I wanted to look at?

 

[Xanjori]

but also there are more than 3 scum and thats even assuming that those reads are correct so I'd like to see you expand your scum reads.

Sure, obviously Ive still got nearly half the PL to offer a read on, but hopefully I can do that soon enough.

 

[Xanjori]

for void I'm sheeping Jarrod, don't really like the d2 MTR wagon and then a secret secret reason

Honestly I think there is good cause to believe MTR is a wolf as well, but Jarrods push is in good faith from my interpretation, I just think he is on the wrong target.

 

[PsychoSoldier]

ok that's why I was confused. Void and Drey are not catching flak for pushing MTR and I don't think MTR is considered "clear" or at least not alot of ppl have said they think MTR is clear. So if your counter to my theory is that they wouldn't push someone that grabs attention then what's that based on b/c that's not happening in the thread. If we were to say that MTR was town b/c scum voted him what makes you think that a potential scum void and drey would vote someone else and risk clearing them?

but while you are here (well prob not now) your name was red in the write up, I pointed this out and someone else voted you. Is there a reason you chose not to comment on this?

Well Void did gain attention to start, though not really for voting MTR.

Your initial argument relies on painting what's happening in thread against the scum mindset which doesn't always gel. My point is if scum are of the mindset that MTR is cleared(a theory YOU are positing), that they're less likely to hazard a vote on him because of the CHANCE that it would draw negative attention. Whether it has drawn negative attention has no bearing on what scum has done up to this point.

I didn't address the theory that my alignment was revealed in the writeup because I'm town and it's a dumb theory.

But you're always welcome to vote me

 

[PsychoSoldier]

Why Robo and not Xanjori, though?

I pointed out back on D1 that Xanjori hadn't shown up yet and although they're both quiet Robo has 3 posts and Xanjori has 1. Jarrod was given a free pass on D1 for not showing up as well, I believe?


Vote: Xanjori

Jarrod did show up. His push on Void also felt towny. And personally I think showing up to do the bare minimum(Robo) looks worse than not showing up at all, particularly with the people involved. Scum!Xan wouldn't hide and would make some kind of appearance if not busy/legit forgetting the game. So before his post, Xan was NAI whereas Robo did the classic "get my shit in before I get yelled at" move.

 

[Xanjori]

Vibing with Psychos latest posts, I think theyre a more fleshed out version of my own reads. Was hoping he'd get to my AI posts and offer a view tho

 

[GrumpyCat]

So this rule or 3 shit that richard brought up... is it only relevant on d1, or any day?

D1 only I suppose, town/scum ratio changes later on. Maybe it would work in this case as well because 3 town and 1 scum died. No matter, it could only works if it comes out of surprise it can be outplayed if players are already aware of it.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Why are you waiting for the 1st train to get to 3? Dont want to get looked at as scum again?

Out of curiousity. I don't pay much attention to how I look when I am town.

 

[CRichardFoL]

So this rule or 3 shit that richard brought up... is it only relevant on d1, or any day?



Why are you waiting for the 1st train to get to 3? Dont want to get looked at as scum again?

My understanding of the tell is that it's mainly applicable on D1.

 

[CRichardFoL]

What's the latest VC? That would be good to know.

 

[Mazer]

Reminder:

This phase ends at 4:26 CST. I'm flying today (I'll have wifi), so will still get vote counts up during the day.

Even if I am not online any post marked after 4:26 cst will not be counted.

Please refrain from any posts after the day time expires.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Voidkitten can be town, because I haven't seen any posts from them that make me think they're scum making stuff up, and they helped send Future who is scum to purgatory D1.

 

[CRichardFoL]

Reminder:

This phase ends at 4:26 CST. I'm flying today (I'll have wifi), so will still get vote counts up during the day.

Even if I am not online any post marked after 4:26 cst will not be counted.

Please refrain from any posts after the day time expires.

AM or PM?

 

[Mazer]

.....PM

 

[CRichardFoL]

Ah it's probably PM by deduction.

 

[llettuce]

ok that's why I was confused. Void and Drey are not catching flak for pushing MTR and I don't think MTR is considered "clear" or at least not alot of ppl have said they think MTR is clear. So if your counter to my theory is that they wouldn't push someone that grabs attention then what's that based on b/c that's not happening in the thread. If we were to say that MTR was town b/c scum voted him what makes you think that a potential scum void and drey would vote someone else and risk clearing them?

but while you are here (well prob not now) your name was red in the write up, I pointed this out and someone else voted you. Is there a reason you chose not to comment on this?

Pretty sure this is character name not player and has no reflection of psycho the player

 

[CRichardFoL]

Xanjori has posted fine from what i've seen from them today. They can go into a town lean pile.

 

[Mazer]

I'm waiting to take off. Once I get in the air, and can jot votes down on my pad, I'll post a count

 

[CRichardFoL]

Matt's vote on sleep is indeed NAI - he always votes sleep D1 these days, at least I can't remember a game he hasn't recently. The thing that bothers me about his sleep vote is that sleep does usually win out on D1, and I feel scum would be more than happy to take advantage of that. Future was already on sleep, matt votes sleep... if matt were town, why wouldn't some other scum take advantage of that to try to follow along and maybe push sleep ahead? But if matt is also scum, following the scum future vote... the rest of the team may have been more hesitant to continue voting there all in a block. The alternative I suppose is we just have an exceedingly passive scum team that just... didn't even try to save him it seems.

Good to know. I want to say Matt is town or at least not scum with Future, because vote stacking on sleep seems like something they'd avoid, unless they're the type to make WIFOM scenarios for town by doing exactly that.

 

[Matthieu]

Unvote: Xanjori
Vote: Robozerim

I'll move over here as well. I can agree that Xanjori and Jarrod are contributing more overall at this point.

 

[Xanjori]

Matt if we have an activity vig why are you so concerned about yeeting people that are low posting? Has Robo posted something that you found suspicious?

 

[Matthieu]

Matt if we have an activity vig why are you so concerned about yeeting people that are low posting? Has Robo posted something that you found suspicious?

I wanted to pursue Kryllian but that isn't happening so it might as well be one of the quiet ones.

 

[Foxxi]

I like xanjori so far, I'd usually say that with a grain of salt but I think I'm getting better at reading him. I am not loving how rock questioned him over what feels like pedantic details. When all is said and done, how Xan feels about posters D1 vs today isn't super important really since he wasn't actually around interacting with anyone D1. It's just a bunch of catch up dropped into some posts with the end result of thoughts and feelings. Getting nitpicky over day labels kinda feels like trying too hard.

 

[Foxxi]

I wanted to pursue Kryllian but that isn't happening so it might as well be one of the quiet ones.

Why? Is it just because you thought something in the write up seemed like he had a vest?

 

[Mazer]

As of 883

Grumpy (3)- night, psych, xan
Vk (3) - Jarrod, bn, rock
Mtr (2) - vk, drey
Robo (4) - claws, llettuce, Crich, matt
Psych (2) - Val, kryll
Xan (1) - LDG

 

[Foxxi]

Looking back at the write up, Iron Bull is the only character that targeted Kryllian. I can see the "devastating damage" being interpreted as an attack, but usually there's a comment about the person shrugging off an attack they survived so I read that as a flavored roleblock. And since we saw 5 other scum actions, that makes me think kryllian is pretty clear.

 

[Foxxi]

I can see LDG's posts reading as scummy - but her behavior doesn't really make me think she's scum? Her vote for xan when pretty much everyone else is moving away from him doesn't feel agenda driven to me... and if she were partnered with future, why would she have responded to his post about voting inactives by unvoting BN and then not actually putting a vote somewhere that might have helped save future?

 

[GrumpyCat]

Gonna open up with a

Vote: GrumpyCat

Because once Future picked up his 4 votes it felt Grumpy really wanted to try get another wagon going (in this case sleep.)

So what is the case again? That I made a list with 4 players with my scumbuddy on it so in case i an not yeeted i get town credit from fh flip?

Or that I tried to save my scumbuddy by trying to get another wagon going.

Vote: Robozerim

Please hammer someone this time.

 

[Xanjori]

I can see LDG's posts reading as scummy - but her behavior doesn't really make me think she's scum? Her vote for xan when pretty much everyone else is moving away from him doesn't feel agenda driven to me... and if she were partnered with future, why would she have responded to his post about voting inactives by unvoting BN and then not actually putting a vote somewhere that might have helped save future?

Its more her fixation with the low posters, Ive not really seen it as a thing and she seems to mostly get riled up when shes scum.

 

[Foxxi]

Honestly the seeming lack of trying to save future is really fucking with my head. I even gave the scum team the perfect opportunity/excuse to try by suggesting we train up all four people to see what happened, but literally no one took me up on that idea

 

[Foxxi]

Its more her fixation with the low posters, Ive not really seen it as a thing and she seems to mostly get riled up when shes scum.

It is new for her, but maybe she feels BN will cut her some slack if she picks up his banner? Lmao -- seriously though. That response to future and then lack of vote for sleep/anyone else makes me really think they just aren't aligned. She could be 3p perhaps, but I'll be damned surprised if she's red.

 

[Xanjori]

Honestly the seeming lack of trying to save future is really fucking with my head. I even gave the scum team the perfect opportunity/excuse to try by suggesting we train up all four people to see what happened, but literally no one took me up on that idea

On day 1? And tbf competing with a wagon that already has 5 votes is a lot of effort, especially if he then flips its so outing

 

[Foxxi]

On day 1? And tbf competing with a wagon that already has 5 votes is a lot of effort, especially if he then flips its so outing

Yea, I can't remember if I suggested it before or after Jay did his thing, but once it seemed like we were going to test this theory of scum in the first train - I proposed we train all four names to see how votes shifted around. And given that sleep usually wins out on D1 even when it looks like someone might be yeeted, I'm kind of surprised future's partners didn't at least try to bring up someone else - especially since from my pov as town who was voting grumpy (and psycho was too) there was an alternative train that had at least one town - maybe two if psycho is also town. Scum could have nudged there and then if future still died it would have made me look awful - but they didn't. Which makes me further wonder about grumpy. And if grumpy is town it makes me think the scum team was just not even trying..???

 

[Matthieu]

Why? Is it just because you thought something in the write up seemed like he had a vest?

Yep. It stood out to me as strange, but it could just be me reading too deeply into it.

 

[Mazer]

Grumpy (3)- night, psych, xan
Vk (3) - Jarrod, bn, rock
Mtr (2) - vk, drey
Robo (5) - claws, llettuce, Crich, matt, grump
Psych (2) - Val, kryll
Xan (1) - LDG

 

[GrumpyCat]

How much time left? Like 4 hours?

 

[GrumpyCat]

If someone would kindly translaye time zones. So lazy

 

[Listo95]

If someone would kindly translaye time zones. So lazy

4:26 CST is 5:26 EST is 9:26 GMT.

Listo once made a sanctuary for birds. That sanctuary went on to be the biggest sanctuary in the universe.

 

[GrumpyCat]

Thats a fewer time than i thonght.

Please vote Robo Nightingale Me whoever just dont get 2 stacks from not hammering.