Mafia 4 - The Fall of FoS

[SubZero]

Not to be dismissive but I was interested in Princesses reasoning.

I just don't get the reaction considering the vote implies they like you but you do you

 

[SubZero]

I guess it's their progression so that makes sense

 

[Sora]

I just don't get the reaction considering the vote implies they like you but you do you

That interpretation would make very little sense in the context of everything else Princess has said about me.

 

[Sora]

Also, I dislike the way you keep brow beating this idea that giving someone a top vote as a completely positive thing. I don't believe this is so, and it might be a way for you to justify taking free shots at some high profile villagers. It could also be a genuine belief, I guess, but I just don't like how you go about expressing it.

 

[Sora]

In my eyes, the benefit of having someone receive immunity is 0, since the wolves will have plenty of targets to act on in the early cycles.

Risking losing a strong town voice isn't worth it in my eyes, even if the chance is small.

 

[Sora]

I also wouldn't dismiss the possibility of VK reversing the odds and making the top vote the 75% chance at death and 25% chance for bottom vote.

 

[SubZero]

Also, I dislike the way you keep brow beating this idea that giving someone a top vote as a completely positive thing. I don't believe this is so, and it might be a way for you to justify taking free shots at some high profile villagers. It could also be a genuine belief, I guess, but I just don't like how you go about expressing it.

You don't like anything about how I post and I've intentionally been trolling you a bit over it, so I'm not surprised

 

[Sora]

Or just yeeting the top vote straight up and saying it was just bad luck.

 

[Sora]

You don't like anything about how I post and I've intentionally been trolling you a bit over it, so I'm not surprised

If all you do is troll me then how am I supposed to change my mind about you.

 

[Sora]

This approach will only make me keep tunneling you and not feel bad about it if you flip town.

 

[SubZero]

Also, percentage wise, it's a net positive thing, so yes, I do believe that, and don't see how you think intentionally putting a suspect as the top vote is a good strategy.

 

[SubZero]

This approach will only make me keep tunneling you and not feel bad about it if you flip town.

I don't really care because I think your take on me from the beginning has been lazy and very narrow-minded.

 

[SubZero]

I also wouldn't dismiss the possibility of VK reversing the odds and making the top vote the 75% chance at death and 25% chance for bottom vote.

This is possible but I'm not playing WIFOM with a bastard mod who recently pulled this trick

 

[Sora]

I don't really care because I think your take on me from the beginning has been lazy and very narrow-minded.

That's too bad.

 

[MasterChief]

Subzero and Zora gonna murder each other tonight

 

[Sora]

Also, percentage wise, it's a net positive thing, so yes, I do believe that, and don't see how you think intentionally putting a suspect as the top vote is a good strategy.

Even if a town member gets immunity, a different town member will still get targeted for a kill that night. The immunity won't have changed anything numbers-wise.

But making someone you strongly suspect to be town take a chance at dying will give scum 0.25 kills if we are to believe that the odds provided by VK to be real.

I'd rather not give scum any extra kill power for literally 0 potential gain.

 

[PrincessPeach]

Voting for you gives me a 25% chance of watching you die tonight.

 

[SubZero]

Even if a town member gets immunity, a different town member will still get targeted for a kill that night. The immunity won't have changed anything numbers-wise.

But making someone you strongly suspect to be town take a chance at dying will give scum 0.25 kills if we are to believe that the odds provided by VK to be real.

I'd rather not give scum any extra kill power for literally 0 potential gain.

That's if the 25% hits. Someone's gonna die regardless unless we have a smart doc, so I'd rather save someone i think is town instead of someone who could get outed while they're immune

 

[SubZero]

Plus, you'll notice I've been pushing who to kill. I don't really care who gets top vote

 

[Sora]

Voting for you gives me a 25% chance of watching you die tonight.

What is your problem with me?

 

[Sora]

That's if the 25% hits. Someone's gonna die regardless unless we have a smart doc, so I'd rather save someone i think is town instead of someone who could get outed while they're immune

I feel like I have already reached the upper limit of my communicational ability with the above explanation. I guess we will just never agree on this.

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 1 Vote Count:

Sora - 3 (MasterChief #137, Arceus #152, PrincessPeach #297)
GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
XavierWoods - 2 (Rikishi #191, SubZero #285)
Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
SubZero - 1 (Sora #105)
Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
Applejack - 1 (Applejack #212)
Moana - 1 (Moana #261)
SolidSnake - 1 (Kumquat #282)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, ArtTheClown, Gibbs, Hades, Sephiroth, SolidSnake, XavierWoods, GrumpyCat #274

 

[SubZero]

I feel like I have already reached the upper limit of my communicational ability with the above explanation. I guess we will just never agree on this.

I feel like I have already reached the upper limit of my communicational ability with the above explanation. I guess we will just never agree on this.

It's ok. We don't have to agree on this. The argument works both ways and we can have different opinions on the matter.

I also don't really get how you see my stance as scummy and not neutral at worst, but a ninja keeps on keepin' on.

 

[Sora]

Only my argument is based in LOGIC and FACTS and yours isn't

 

[Croissant]

FOS:
Medivh and Croisssant for not getting the joke
Croissant for being part of a continental breakfast

Vote: croissant

You & I should be natural friends not foes. A croissant is the best sandwich outside and bacon is the best topping. We should be making delicious sandwiches together, not voting each other. And definitely not over Moana songs. My comment was early - before they started posting in 3rd person. You can choose whatever Moana or not-Moana song you please. I won't stand in your way.

 

[SubZero]

Only my argument is based in LOGIC and FACTS and yours isn't

This isn't true but nice discredit

 

[Sora]

This isn't true but nice discredit

Nah. I've been treating this argument as polemic. With my main goal being to hopefully convince people of my point of view. Not show you as scummy for it.

A confbiased mind would probably see this response from you as being overly defensive

 

[Sora]

The way you, SubZero, have been speaking to me feels so schizophrenic. First you suspect me, then speak to me as a misguided town, then accusing me of trying to shade you just now. You never quite spell it out where your head is wrt to me nor does it feel like you are actually trying to figure me out. Or anyone, for that matter.

 

[SubZero]

The way you, SubZero, have been speaking to me feels so schizophrenic. First you suspect me, then speak to me as a misguided town, then accusing me of trying to shade you just now. You never quite spell it out where your head is wrt to me nor does it feel like you are actually trying to figure me out. Or anyone, for that matter.

That's because I'm playing d1 loose and having fun. But trust me, I'm trying to figure people out. I'm just keeping mum about it.

 

[ArtTheClown]

Okai's im here! I haven't read anything yet. Who wants to influence my decision making?

 

[ArtTheClown]

Vote: SubZero

I still haven't read anything other the few comments above my first comment but putting my vote here for the drama.

 

[XavierWoods]

Even if a town member gets immunity, a different town member will still get targeted for a kill that night. The immunity won't have changed anything numbers-wise.

But making someone you strongly suspect to be town take a chance at dying will give scum 0.25 kills if we are to believe that the odds provided by VK to be real.

I'd rather not give scum any extra kill power for literally 0 potential gain.

If no town member gets immunity, town will still get targeted.

Town with immunity narrows down the choices for town and scum to do NAs. Meaning, town has a better chance at Blocking, Protecting, Tracking, Watching, you name it. Town has a better shot at getting some information. You being dismissive about this not being a positive looks bad.

It doesnt matter if the mod is bastard or this game is bastard. You cant assume everything is wrong until something bastard actually happens.

For being the fluffiest poster, and these reasons, Sora is my likely target to vote off on D2. I dont want to give them the chance at immunity this day.

 

[SubZero]

If no town member gets immunity, town will still get targeted.

Town with immunity narrows down the choices for town and scum to do NAs. Meaning, town has a better chance at Blocking, Protecting, Tracking, Watching, you name it. Town has a better shot at getting some information. You being dismissive about this not being a positive looks bad.

It doesnt matter if the mod is bastard or this game is bastard. You cant assume everything is wrong until something bastard actually happens.

For being the fluffiest poster, and these reasons, Sora is my likely target to vote off on D2. I dont want to give them the chance at immunity this day.

I think I've been fluffier than Sora tbh

 

[XavierWoods]

I think I've been fluffier than Sora tbh

im looking at post count and theirs is higher. I know thats not everything, but I dont recall the vast majority of their posts

 

[XavierWoods]

Anyone checking to see if all players have at least checked in yet?

 

[ArtTheClown]

Day 1 Vote Count:

Sora - 3 (MasterChief #137, Arceus #152, PrincessPeach #297)
GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
XavierWoods - 2 (Rikishi #191, SubZero #285)
Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
SubZero - 1 (Sora #105)
Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
Applejack - 1 (Applejack #212)
Moana - 1 (Moana #261)
SolidSnake - 1 (Kumquat #282)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, ArtTheClown, Gibbs, Hades, Sephiroth, SolidSnake, XavierWoods, GrumpyCat #274

ngl with the "lowest" vote also getting death rolled by our lord and saviour bitch kitten that sure is quite a large spread of votes.

 

[XavierWoods]

Guess I can stop being lazy and do that.

No Shows: GIbbs, Hades, Solidsnake

<5 posts: ArtTheClown, Alysrazor

No votes: Somewhere up on the official vote count

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 1 Vote Count:

Sora - 3 (MasterChief #137, Arceus #152, PrincessPeach #297)
GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
SubZero - 2 (Sora #105, ArtTheClown #331)
XavierWoods - 2 (Rikishi #191, SubZero #285)
Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
Applejack - 1 (Applejack #212)
Moana - 1 (Moana #261)
SolidSnake - 1 (Kumquat #282)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, Gibbs, Hades, Sephiroth, SolidSnake, XavierWoods, GrumpyCat #274

 

[XavierWoods]

If only our mod would also tell us how much time was left in the day

 

[VoidKitten]

I did that earlier. maybe yall should read.

About 26.5 hours remain.

 

[MasterChief]

Vote: SubZero

I still haven't read anything other the few comments above my first comment but putting my vote here for the drama.

Do you know what voting does?

 

[ArtTheClown]

Do you know what voting does?

I'm well aware. If you read my other comment.

 

[XavierWoods]

I did that earlier. maybe yall should read.

About 26.5 hours remain.

not on this page or the last 2 vote counts

 

[ArtTheClown]

We need two trains. Having the votes spread like wild chickens running amock, makes it very easy for evil to put out an innocent vote on someone that has tied with the lowest amout of votes and have that person suddenly death rolled by bitch kitten.

 

[ArtTheClown]

That is wishful thinking however because i know that won't be achieved.

 

[ArtTheClown]

EBWOP: Evil's 'innocent' vote would save another evil from being death rolled.

 

[Kumquat]

Day ends at 8:00pm ET on June 4th. About 32 hours from now. Day will end early if majority is reached. Once majority is reached, votes will locked and the top and bottom players will be subject to the rolls. There will be no ties.

Makes me think it will literally be whoever is top and bottom of count.

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 1 Vote Count:

GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
Sora - 2 (MasterChief #137, Arceus #152)
XavierWoods - 2 (Rikishi #191, SubZero #285)
Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
Twintania - 1 (PrincessPeach #29)
Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
SubZero - 1 (Sora #105)
Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
Applejack - 1 (Applejack #212)
Moana - 1 (Moana #261)
SolidSnake - 1 (Kumquat #282)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, ArtTheClown, Gibbs, Hades, Sephiroth, SolidSnake, XavierWoods, GrumpyCat #274

Day ends at 8:00pm ET on June 4th. About 32 hours from now. Day will end early if majority is reached. Once majority is reached, votes will locked and the top and bottom players will be subject to the rolls. There will be no ties.

@XavierWoods

 

[Sephiroth]

Perish mortals while I evaporate all of your drinks!

I feel like you're the one who is faking it.

 

[SolidSnake]

Sorry for the delay, my parachute caught on a tree and sent me off course then I got into a knife fight with a gator.

 

[SubZero]

We need two trains. Having the votes spread like wild chickens running amock, makes it very easy for evil to put out an innocent vote on someone that has tied with the lowest amout of votes and have that person suddenly death rolled by bitch kitten.

The problem with this is that if we focus on two trains, it's a lot easier for any random person to get chopped by stragglers or a ballsy scum

 

[SubZero]

Sorry for the delay, my parachute caught on a tree and sent me off course then I got into a knife fight with a gator.

Valid and understandable

 

[SolidSnake]

SubZero, if you sit down next to a campfire does your body temperate increase or does it remain below sub zero?

 

[Alysrazor]

I feel like you're the one who is faking it.

Whatever do you mean feeble mortal?

 

[ArtTheClown]

Makes me think it will literally be whoever is top and bottom of count.

Which if we dont control the vote count watch some cute little votes lift people from one vote to two saving them and later flipping BAD.

The problem with this is that if we focus on two trains, it's a lot easier for any random person to get chopped by stragglers or a ballsy scum

I do agree that it would be difficult to achieve and also risky. But it's a thought about how today should be approached.

 

[ArtTheClown]

also apologizes for late arrival, I skinned teenager alive and her mother walked in on me, so i had to remove the mothers head also. It was also halloween and I used her head as a candy bucket.

 

[SubZero]

SubZero, if you sit down next to a campfire does your body temperate increase or does it remain below sub zero?

I'm so cold that even with the temperature increase, I remain SubZero

 

[SubZero]

I don't hate you, though. I just thought the gif looked cool.

 

[Kumquat]

I don't get any fun role play. I'm just a fruit.

 

[SubZero]

Which if we dont control the vote count watch some cute little votes lift people from one vote to two saving them and later flipping BAD.

I do agree that it would be difficult to achieve and also risky. But it's a thought about how today should be approached.

I know you just arrived, but who would  you like to see as the top trains?

 

[SubZero]

I don't get any fun role play. I'm just a fruit.

Just used fruit- or sex-based puns

 

[ArtTheClown]

I know you just arrived, but who would  you like to see as the top trains?

Xavier Woods maybe. Seems overly focused on the top of the train, and not much concern about the bottom. Yet indicates he wants to vote Sora, (as in murder) Porque no los dos? You can still have your top town on 15 votes and your bottom player on 10 votes and those be the only votes!

 

[ArtTheClown]

As for another subject. I'm fine with either Sora or yourself, Subzero. Feel like there's a dynamic situation brewing somewhere here tbh.

 

[Arceus]

Also not from Moana.

What? Really?! Oh no! Guess I'll have to change it to "It's a Small World". Surely, that one is from Moana!

 

[Medivh]

also apologizes for late arrival, I skinned teenager alive and her mother walked in on me, so i had to remove the mothers head also. It was also halloween and I used her head as a candy bucket.

Jesus Christ.

Ok so we're missing three people right?

 

[Arceus]

I am fine with the idea of forcing it to two trains. Yes, a ballsy scum or silly townie can mess with it, but that also brings a whole lot of lynching for the person who breaks the town's trust on this in the following day or two. Refuse to cooperate by messing up the plan? Die, then. So sayeth this world's god, creator of all within the universe.

As for who to have as the two trains....hard to decide. Ideally, the highest should be somebody we would be happy to see get immunity, but not upset to see die if the RNG is not in there favor. The lower of the two, somebody we'd be fine with dying, but probably wouldn't be a problem if given immunity. I'd recommend a no show or near no show for the lower one. It sucks if a no show gets invulnerability for a few days, but it's not likely to be a big hindrance, either, and odds are they die. Assuming I understand the mechanics properly here.

 

[Arceus]

Though I do like the idea of forcing it to two trains, getting that kind of cooperation and coordination from 20+ people is unlikely.

 

[ArtTheClown]

For clarity. Of the three names I've

I am fine with the idea of forcing it to two trains. Yes, a ballsy scum or silly townie can mess with it, but that also brings a whole lot of lynching for the person who breaks the town's trust on this in the following day or two. Refuse to cooperate by messing up the plan? Die, then. So sayeth this world's god, creator of all within the universe.

As for who to have as the two trains....hard to decide. Ideally, the highest should be somebody we would be happy to see get immunity, but not upset to see die if the RNG is not in there favor. The lower of the two, somebody we'd be fine with dying, but probably wouldn't be a problem if given immunity. I'd recommend a no show or near no show for the lower one. It sucks if a no show gets invulnerability for a few days, but it's not likely to be a big hindrance, either, and odds are they die. Assuming I understand the mechanics properly here.

You. I like you.

 

[ArtTheClown]

Ebwop. Seems I forget the rest of my first message during me impaling an innocent bystander at a laundromat with a shovel.

For charities sake, of the people I've mentioned to vote. Xander, sub and sort. Xander is at the bottom.

 

[JackSparrow]

Hmm i think ive liked sora and grumpycat the most this day.
subzero im on the fence trying really hard to pocket sora.
Princess peach seem to be falling in the scum catagory.

The rest just either havent intriged me or entertained.

The sea is calling!

 

[SubZero]

I have received a message from my clan. They say in order to continue the mission to kill Shang Tsung, I should cooperate with those here in the Earthrealm. So I'm open to picking two trains and at least trying to coordinate

I actually think me and Sora would be a really interesting dynamic, but you'd have to promise me that you won't immediately assume Sora is scum if I flip.

 

[SubZero]

I think the odds are against us in favor of fully controlling who we want to live and die, so in general I think the play is either to vote two involved people - ideally with a dynamic similar to me and Sora - or one involved person and one low-poster/no-show as was suggested.

If we're talking selfishly, I'd like to offer MasterChief, Applejack, or XavierWoods as options, because they're the ones I'm most doubtful of/would like more of a spotlight on.

Though, Snake's post-ane-dip was pretty shady.

 

[SubZero]

Vote: SolidSnake

 

[ArtTheClown]

I would suggest we at least attempt to make two trains work firstly. It'll be difficult but I BELIEVE!

BRB just seen a pretty blonde and deciding if I wanna saw them in half or not.

 

[Kumquat]

Vote: SolidSnake

I'm already voting them so I think this just makes moana the lowest.

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 1 Vote Count:

Sora - 3 (MasterChief #137, Arceus #152, PrincessPeach #297)
GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
SubZero - 2 (Sora #105, ArtTheClown #331)
SolidSnake - 2 (Kumquat #282, SubZero #376)
Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
XavierWoods - 1 (Rikishi #191)
Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
Applejack - 1 (Applejack #212)
Moana - 1 (Moana #261)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, Gibbs, Hades, Sephiroth, SolidSnake, XavierWoods, GrumpyCat #274

 

[VoidKitten]

In-Game Event

Castle Rezam started to glow as Firebert chuckled excitedly. "Ah this should speed things up nicely. Those fools won't even know what hit them."

An alarm started to blare loudly as a monotone voice announced. "30 Minutes Remaining."

 

[Arceus]

The hell?

 

[ArtTheClown]

In-Game Event

Castle Rezam started to glow as Firebert chuckled excitedly. "Ah this should speed things up nicely. Those fools won't even know what hit them."

An alarm started to blare loudly as a monotone voice announced. "30 Minutes Remaining."

Ooooo vote me pick me!

 

[ArtTheClown]

So either scumily scum didn't like our plan of two trains and shortened the day, or it's something else. I guess we'll see.

 

[Kumquat]

Da fuk?

 

[Arceus]

Well this throws a wrench into things. I'd bet most people aren't even going to see this before the 30 minutes are up.

 

[Arceus]

Those who are here should probably try and figure things out. We probably can't get a proper lowest, best we could do is upvote some of the other single vote folks to leave us with 1 or 2 of them left.

 

[Arceus]

Oh my me, there's 6 people with 1 vote on them!

 

[SolidSnake]

Though, Snake's post-ane-dip was pretty shady.

I confess to being terribly distracted by Diablo 4.

 

[SolidSnake]

That being said, if you guys want to vote for me today feel free to. I'll gladly take the gamble.

 

[Arceus]

The ones with more than 1 vote:
Sora (3)
Grumpycat (2)
Subzero (2)
Hulk Hogan (2)
Solid Snake (2)

 

[Arceus]

Who amongst these would we like to see get immunity? I'm okay with Sora, and Grumpycat getting immunity. I kinda don't wanna see Sora die. The rest are a a shrug on if they die or not.

 

[SolidSnake]

Vote: Solid Snake

 

[SubZero]

Oh well that's lovely

 

[Arceus]

Also, if they get immunity, then also a shrug.

 

[SubZero]

Who amongst these would we like to see get immunity? I'm okay with Sora, and Grumpycat getting immunity. I kinda don't wanna see Sora die. The rest are a a shrug on if they die or not.

I'd be down for Sora or GrumpyCat.

I also think voting the one vote wagons to single someone out is a good idea. At least better than having a wide swath of random chances

 

[Arceus]

Unvote:

For now, probably gonna try to bump a lowbie to narrow down the field.

 

[SubZero]

Hades - 1 (HulkHogan #8)
Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
XavierWoods - 1 (Rikishi #191)
Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
Applejack - 1 (Applejack #212)
Moana - 1 (Moana #261)

These are the 1 vote wagons. Of these, I least like Applejack

 

[SubZero]

Xavier could go, too, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that flip yet

 

[Alysrazor]

WTF just happened.

 

[Arceus]

We could possibly leave Xavier and Applejack to be tied for lowest maybe.

Vote: Hades
Hello fellow deity, I am getting you out of the lowest vote firing range! For now, at least.

 

[SubZero]

I was gonna refresh myself on Hades' posts, but they haven't even posted yet

 

[SubZero]

We could possibly leave Xavier and Applejack to be tied for lowest maybe.

Vote: Hades
Hello fellow deity, I am getting you out of the lowest vote firing range! For now, at least.

Why Hades? They've been a no-show

 

[VoidKitten]

Day 1 Vote Count:

SolidSnake - 3 (Kumquat #282, SubZero #376. SolidSnake #389)
Hades - 2 (HulkHogan #8, Arceus #397)
GrumpyCat - 2 (JackSparrow #45, Croissant #200)
HulkHogan - 2 (Twintainia #53, Pikachu #166)
SubZero - 2 (Sora #105, ArtTheClown #331)
Sora - 2 (MasterChief #137, PrincessPeach #297)
Alysrazor - 1 (Medivh #83)
XavierWoods - 1 (Rikishi #191)
Croissant - 1 (Bacon #210)
Applejack - 1 (Applejack #212)
Moana - 1 (Moana #261)

Not Voting: Alysrazor, Gibbs, Hades, Sephiroth, XavierWoods, GrumpyCat #274